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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (70736)	7/16/2003 1:12:17 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

These all seem to have been invented by humans to reflect the mores of specific groups of people in particular times and places. It is believed that in that ancient football type game played by the Mayans, the losers of the game had the dishonour of lopping off the heads of the winners who were thus to be honored by their sun God. The shame and ignominy would likely be so great thst they would leave the village and go to the wild places. The winners of the game, of course, went to live with Mr. Sun.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (70736)	7/16/2003 1:19:01 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

The Aztecs were kept quite busy keeping up with the supply of hearts for their many Gods! anthro.mankato.msus.edu

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (70736)	7/16/2003 2:53:21 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Is human sacrifice an absolute moral principle? The Aztecs, the Maya, and numerous other American Indian cultures considered it beneficial. Most likely the ancient Hebrews up to Abraham also. It would appear that maybe some absolutes, such as the ban on murder, are maybe not so absolute. Leaving aside for the moment the questions "Are there moral absolutes", and "is the ban against murder one of them". I would make the point that just because some people disagree with a moral absolute doesn't mean that morality has to be relative. Its is possible that the people who disagree with these absolutes(or with others) are wrong. Tim

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (70736)	7/16/2003 3:31:14 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"It would appear that maybe some absolutes, such as the ban on murder, are maybe not so absolute." People die at the hands of other people as a daily occurance. "Ooops," says doctor dimwit as he drops his scalpal and his patient slips on to the next plane of existence. Incompetence but not murder. Crash go the cars into one another. Its called an accident, not murder. Warring forces clash one against the other in combat to determine dominance over realestate, resources, or social advantage. Not murder. In our society the act of murder is very specific. It is the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought. I would say in this context "murder" is absolutely bad. If you want to go off on the politially agendized conotations of murder, like the people who like to rant about Bush being a murderer, then you have no absolute. You simply have some vague reference to possible but unsubstantiated wrong doing that may have resulted in misguided strategies, and some unintended but tragic deaths, with alarm bells and whistles going off in the background.