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To: KLP who wrote (105730)	7/16/2003 2:18:25 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Danged Saddam was without doubt amassing programmes for weapons of mass destruction. He had hundreds of tons of programmes and those documents were already loaded into the nose cones, ready for launch in 45 minutes. A single Yeti with a plan to make a weapon of mass destruction is a very scary thing. Imagine if he developed rapid fire programmes. <Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us. And there is no doubt that his aggressive regional ambitions will lead him into future confrontations with his neighbors -- confrontations that will involve both the weapons he has today, and the ones he will continue to develop with his oil wealth. ... > He obviously forgot to take the $800 million in cash with him, but he will have hidden 100 tons of programmes in his underground bunker for use if the Coalition Forces find him. Mqurice

To: KLP who wrote (105730)	7/16/2003 3:04:45 AM
From: spiral3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

that Cheney PR was dated August 26, 2002. Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. . Well there is now. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us. And there is no doubt that his aggressive regional ambitions will lead him into future confrontations with his neighbors -- confrontations that will involve both the weapons he has today, and the ones he will continue to develop with his oil wealth Let’s say we both believe Chainme, and what he’s telling us is the absolute truth, which he implies that it is, by saying “no doubt”, - at least that’s how I understand it. What this means is that between August 26th and the start of the war Sadam got rid of his WMD. We know he didn’t use them, so already Cheney is wrong, but that’s not lieing, necessarily. We’re told they were scooted out of the country, which means they could be in the hands of al-Queda by now. So, when Sadam was contained we were sure where they were, but now that he isn’t, we aren’t. Feel any safer ? Let’s just hope that Sadam has the good grace to distinguish between the characteristics of leadership that I mentioned earlier on. Don’t hold your breath. This was supposed to be a slam dunk, not sure how much more time you want, to get these points on the board. Should all his ambitions be realized, the implications would be enormous for the Middle East, for the United States, and for the peace of the world. What’s this…he agrees that intentions are important, or is it an admission of doubt ?…he just said that there was none. Does this make him a liar, no, it’s only human to have no doubt and some doubt, all at the same time. Cheney can’t help but acknowledge this, it's beyond his control, so he doesn't. This is just our language and it's just the way we speak. I might not call him a liar for it, even though I think he is one. As for the reaction of the Arab "street," the Middle East expert Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad are "sure to erupt in joy in the same way the throngs in Kabul greeted the Americans." It would be difficult to be more wrong about something. I suppose Cheney didn’t really say this because Ajami did…whatever. The truth is hard to find, just because people feel lied to, doesn’t mean that a lie was told. If you want to know what lurks at the heart of fascism, it's Certitude.