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To: RealMuLan who wrote (36142)	7/16/2003 3:20:55 PM
From: RealMuLan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

I like this CNN title better<g>U.N. official: World can't afford rich China Wednesday, July 16, 2003 Posted: 1646 GMT (12:46 AM HKT) edition.cnn.com

To: RealMuLan who wrote (36142)	7/16/2003 4:08:47 PM
From: Seeker of Truth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Without any question the global economy is headed toward ever greater energy efficiency. Appliances, devices, house heating, vehicle propulsion, manufacturing, agriculture etc. are all using less and less energy AND less resources (except intellectual ones). IMHO Klaus Toepfer is mistaken. Because of this progress the standard of living of the average Homo sapiens CAN increase sharply. Even with the technological progress we may not have quite the resources to give a decent standard of living to six billion that we have now but who says that number cannot decrease? We have to make sure that it does decrease by providing birth control devices to poor countries. Bush's anti-contraception campaign not withstanding, the women of the world will surely gain control over their pregnancies.

To: RealMuLan who wrote (36142)	7/16/2003 8:51:47 PM
From: energyplay	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Just to another slice at Klaus, his number of 650 million cars is way too high... Why ? because unlike demographic aging populations like Germany, the average age in China is much lower. The kids will be sitting in the back seats, not driving. So 400 million cars wold be a more reasonalbe target. A certain proportion would be used cars, imported from Europe, US, and especially Japan, where laws create incentives to sell uesd cars early. 400 million cars in 17 years means about 2.5 million cars per year. Assuming a 20 year life, more realistically 3.5 to 6 million cars per year. The US buys between 11 and 16 million cars and trucks per year and makes only about half of those. Austrailia has plenty of iron ore and coal to make steel. There's lots of natual gas in Asia to make plastics, and rubber cana come from Malaysia. Concrete for highways can be made locally, with the energy from coal. I don't see what the problem is....

To: RealMuLan who wrote (36142)	7/16/2003 10:22:59 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Wrong. picture the world in 100 years time. People will have died out in the developed countries. The areas that are rpoducing babies, Asia, Africa Middle East, will 'eat' up the resources. Until thos eareas themselves become older die out and so it goes. In about 500 yearsm the population of the world will some couple of billions. What would be of this BBR if it didb't have Elmat here t make people think beyond the lengths of their natural lives. Busy busy let me go back to work