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To: Bilow who wrote (105933)	7/17/2003 6:17:18 AM
From: frankw1900	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

If all I did was "name call" and "insult", then why are you writing these long and detailed posts to me, LOL. Come on, admit it. There is far more in my posts than just name calling and insults. I respond because although you're mostly full of shit, especially on this topic, you write well and you're intelligent and I don't see why you should get to push your brand of BS without opposition.. You step up and swing, like me. It's too bad my time is so limited these days or I'd be cutting up your nonsense more often. I'm particularly offended by your characterization of the US folk as cowards. It's simply not true in my view and I've been studying my US friends and enemies for a long time. You're at the propaganda game again here, for instance: This is my big complaint. The problem is that the American public of today is not the same as the public that put Hitler out of power. Yes, a preemptive war does not "fit US history". It would be a stain on our honor even if WMDs had been found. Well it's not a preemptive war is it? I never saw it as a preemptive war. The hostilities between the US as UN proxy and Iraq never ceased for reasons mostly the fault of the Hussein regime and the US miscalculation the regime would be brought down by the GW1 defeat. The sanctions (which were a bad idea from the get go) were becoming impossible to enforce and once they were lifted Hussein would go back to his pursuit of WMDs completely unrestrained. Even before 9/11 the situation had become intolerable for the US and afterwards it became even more so. You can say all sorts of things about this war but you can't say truthfully it's a preemptive one. It's an old one that heated up. It's certainly not a "stain on your honour" - the US has done itself, the world, and the Iraqis a great service in removing one of the vilest regimes in history. It's too late to go further with this right now - my eyes are packing in. We fundamentally disagree on most of these things - I'm a liberal of an 18th century sort and you're a Buchannanite (except possibly you don't want to make the US a Roman satrapy). So we'll be swapping lots more disagreement. I'll get back to the rest of your post later. PS Grenada. Now that was preemptive. (Dumb doctrine to say out loud).