To: Neocon who wrote (106006 ) 7/17/2003 1:10:37 PM From: marcos Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500 It was and remains sleazy propaganda to use 'patriot' for one side only in a civil war ... the loyalists the thugs were robbing had every right to regard the country as their Patria, fully as much right as did any neutral or rebel This use of the term is only part of an entire US mythology that attempts to paint the rebel side in that civil war as inventors of the principles of democracy, when in fact the fine rhetoric of the rebel literature was but a continuation of centuries of evolution in political thought, a process that began long before the nobles cornered King John at Runnymede, a process that is not yet very well refined when a few men of power can decide all for the species from the backrooms of Washington DC As for your exclusive use of 'american', whether teutonically capitalised or not it has always been glaring symbol of arrogance .... of course you are american, well so are hundreds of millions of the rest of us ... imagine if the chinese were to name their regime United Provinces of Asia, and then attempt to appropriate for their own use the title 'Asian' .... perhaps if you were chinese you would promote this, but i tell you true, you would get a laugh and the finger from the vietnamese Washington will remain on the record with more victims than bin Laden, yes, because the latter simply does not have the relative power .... kind of amusing though to see you use terms like this as if they applied only to one of them - 'a cadre of fanatics to do his bidding ' .... lol ... you might try googling up one time "committees of security" .... or the origin of the term 'to lynch', which came out of the same civil war in which you attempt to deny one side their right to Patria .... well that is pretty neocon of you, Neo