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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: jlallen who wrote (428507)	7/17/2003 3:07:53 PM
From: sylvester80	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

BUSH IS A LIAR & KILLER OF AMERICANS! IMPEACH HIM NOW! Where are the WMDs you LYING POS Bush???????

To: jlallen who wrote (428507)	7/17/2003 4:21:27 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 769667

jlallen Re: >>"Ooops!!! Apologies are in order to President Bush from al those who have called him a liar....."<< I apologize for answering one of your series of silly one-liner, neener-neener posts, but this was too tempting. LESSON: "What is a lie." (For the seriously, ethically challenged ONLY.....those with sound character and values may proceed directly to the substance of the debate.) One may lie by representing an alleged fact as true when he knows it is untrue. One may also lie by representing that an alleged fact is true when he knows that he does not have sufficient information to know whether it is true or false. One may also lie by presenting information in a way that would lead a reasonable listener to conclude that he knew or believed it to be true when, in fact, he knew that it was untrue or knew that he had insufficient information to believe it to be true. Example #1 A car dealer knows that the used vehicle burn oil. If he tells the prospective buyer that it doesn't burn oil, he is lying. Example # 2 A car dealer has no knowledge of whether or not the used vehicle burns oil but nonetheless represents to the prospective buyer that the car has been checked out and "it doesn't burn oil." He is making a dishonest representation whether or not the car burns oil. Example # 3 The dealer represents that the prior owner has assured him that "the car doesn't burn oil." The dealer has purchased several cars from the same prior owner, gotten the same assurances on burning oil, and found that in most instances they were lies. He, nonetheless, assures the prospective buyer that the previous owner told him that the car doesn't burn oil as if he believes it AND WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THE PROSPECTIVE BUYER WILL LIKELY RELY UPON THAT REPRESENTATION. Just as in examples # 1 and 2 he is promoting the "truth" of a statement that he knows is untrue, or that he knows he has insufficient facts upon which to attest to its truth. In the, "pinhead," ... "anti-American" .... "communist," ... "hate America," .... "liberal left" world, or, in other words, in the world of those that disagree with any of the radical, neo-con views and actually express our thoughts in concepts instead of slogans, we call that common sense.

To: jlallen who wrote (428507)	7/17/2003 4:36:34 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Ooops!!! Apologies are in order to President Bush from al those who have called him a liar.....we'll see if any of the Bush hating morons have any class..... CIA Didn't Get Disputed Documents Until February 2003 Now I understand why you voted for Bush; just as great minds think alike so do <blank> minds. YOU fill in the blank. Let me try to explain this to you so that your mind can grasp the import of the entire situation. 'Yellow cake' uranium is not really cake. Its a potent element that is used essentially in the making of a nuclear bomb. A nuclear bomb is a very deadly WMD aka Weapons of Mass Destruction. Are you following me so far? Other than a declaration of war, the State of the Union speech is the most important speech a president can make during the course of the year. Everyone listens very carefully to that speech because they all know its importance. Consequently, everything that is put into that speech, particularly anything controversial, is checked out thoroughly before its admission. The last thing anyone wants is for the president to make a mistake heard round the world, and that speech literally is heard around the world. In his latest State of the Union speach, Mr. Bush said that Iraq had bought "yellow cake" uranium to make nuclear weapons. Until the article you posted came to light, it was understood that Mr. Bush's statement was supported by documents albeit forgeries supposedly in the possession of the CIA prior to the speech. However, we now are being told that the documents in question did not enter the possession of the CIA until AFTER the State of the Union. In other words, Mr. Bush made his dramatic statement based not on substantive documents as we previously thought but on flimsy hearsay that already has been discredited by Mr. Wilson nearly a year before the State of the Union. That would be the equivalent of you yelling fire in a crowded theater not because you saw fire or even smelled smoke but because you thought you saw what looked to be matches lying around. Think flimsy as in cheap, falling apart easily, trashy. Comprendez? And let me remind you since I suspect your memory might be poor that it was the State of the Union coupled with Powell's presentation to the UN that got the American people turned around and in support of Mr. Bush's desire to go to war. <font color=red>However, the most damning item in the article you just posted is not that the letters did not arrive at the CIA until AFTER the State of the Union as bad as that is but that the CIA and [Mr. Bush] knew two weeks before our entry into war that those documents were forgeries. Two weeks before the war, they knew at least part of the basis for entering the war was false. The hubris....the mendacity......the utter gall.......its hard to believe that an administration could be this arrogant. It is an example of noblesse oblige.......in other words, let them eat cake. And like the author of those famous words, I suspect Mr. Bush will end up on the presidential equivalent of the guillotine.<font color=black> Have a good one......and in the future, you might be careful as to what you post regarding Iraqi gate!

To: jlallen who wrote (428507)	7/18/2003 5:07:15 PM
From: Steve Dietrich	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

<<Ooops!!! Apologies are in order to President Bush from al those who have called him a liar.....we'll see if any of the Bush hating morons have any class..... CIA Didn't Get Disputed Documents Until February 2003>> Oops right back at you. So much lying and disinformation coming from you and yours these days: U.S. Had Uranium Papers Earlier Officials Say Forgeries on Iraqi Efforts Reached State Dept. Before Speech By Walter Pincus and Dana Priest Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, July 18, 2003; Page A01 The State Department received copies of what would turn out to be forged documents suggesting that Iraq tried to purchase uranium oxide from Niger three months before the president's State of the Union address, administration officials said. The documents, which officials said appeared to be of "dubious authenticity," were distributed to the CIA and other agencies within days. But the U.S. government waited four months to turn them over to United Nations weapons inspectors who had been demanding to see evidence of U.S. and British claims that Iraq's attempted purchase of uranium oxide violated U.N. resolutions and was among the reasons to go to war. State Department officials could not say yesterday why they did not turn over the documents when the inspectors asked for them in December. washingtonpost.com What say you? Will you have the class to apologize? Steve