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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (106365)	7/19/2003 1:00:02 AM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<Are you trying to tell me, seriously ...> No, I'm not. I didn't say anything at all about the Left, or the Democrats. Or even the Peace Party. But, if you want my opinion, I think they are just as capable of insincerity, indecision, inconsistency, immorality, and general stupidity and selfishness. The flesh is weak. As the Left's last President demonstrated, spectacularly. <If there is one standard that the Left seems to be trying to apply, it is a kind of moral puritanism...> Yes, the Left is confused. They don't approve of wars for selfish/tribal/national advantage. Skittish of the War Party smearing them as wimps, so they don't have the courage to be pacifists. Searching for the elusive Good War. Sort of a weird, attenuated echo of Bearing the White Man's Burden. <By any measure of that, Iraq ranks high.> How are you quantifying this? By % of population killed? Absolute numbers killed? How about preventable deaths from disease and starvation? Does a rape count as much as a murder, or only half as much? Over what time period? Give me an objective, specific way of measuring "human suffering", I'll do the numbers, and I'll bet Iraq isn't in the top 10. <I find the conservative stance, "we're going into places in force only where our national interests are involved", quite straightforward and not particularly hypocritical.> Yes, you are a Realist, not a utopian NeoCon. Problem in Iraq is, America isn't advancing its interests there, not using current methods. With no WMD, there was no threat. Maybe the other Dominoes will fall, the ones who really were supporting terrorism (Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran), and really are developing nukes (Iran); but there is little evidence that this is being achieved. The Iraqi guerrillas are denying us the oil. So what national interest is being furthered?