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To: epicure who wrote (106423)7/19/2003 9:12:45 AM
From: greenspirit  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Two clicks on google. Real tough...
beholdtheempire.com

Here's another.
Anti-war protesters march against the Gulf War on January 14, 1991.

On January 14, 1991, 2,500 anti-war protesters march in downtown Seattle against the Gulf War. Approximately two-dozen persons are arrested for stopping traffic on the Interstate-5 freeway. Two days later, air attacks by coalition forces against Iraq inaugurate Operation Desert Storm.

In August 1991, Iraqi forces invaded Kuwait on the Persian (Arabian) Gulf. The United States responded by deploying forces to defend Saudi Arabia to the south. This response was called Operation Desert Shield. The buildup continued and President George Bush obtained both international and Congressional support for a military solution. A coalition to oppose Iraq was formed, consisting of Middle Eastern and European nations. January 15, 1991, was set as a deadline for Iraq to withdraw.

In Seattle, reservists were called to active duty and security measures against terrorism were upgraded. On January 12, approximately 1,500 people gathered at Gas Works Park to protest the impending war. Other protests followed in Seattle and across the nation.

The anti-war protests spawned demonstrations in support of U.S. policy and in support of service members. Operation Homefront held rallies in Seattle, often coincident with anti-war protests.

Iraq did not withdraw and the U.S. and coalition forces launched six weeks of air attacks to disable Iraq's military. Iraq responded with ballistic missile attacks on Saudi Arabia and on Israel. On February 23, 1991, the ground assault to liberate Kuwait began. A cease fire was declared 100 hours later with Iraqi forces defeated.

Ten Washington men died in the conflict.



To: epicure who wrote (106423)7/19/2003 10:06:26 AM
From: Sig  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
<<<Oddly enough I didn't see thousands and thousands of people protesting Desert Storm- a few- but no where
near the numbers I saw with this war.>>
Since Desert Storm the expansion of the Web and computer use has given individuals a chance to express themselves like never before.
On Forums like SI , and in E-mails.
On political issues, its difficult to find more than 66% agreement, and the anti-crowd is more outspoken and emotional than the more silent pro-crowd, with not so many people writing in to say "Yes, that was a good vote you made on Proposition 135", or "I am sure glad you voted for that war"
Congressmen are being flooded with E-mails, hearing more from dissidents than ever before, and unless they are are quality communications with logical arguments they will be paying less attention to individuals than in the past and will pay more attention to what groups or organizations say.
To sum up, this is a good place to bitch and achieve emotional relief , but If Congress or the Administration paid much attention they would be unable to reach a decision, especially on a whether to have a war or not.
At this moment, lets assume that the 3 d infantry had been attacked by VX as they marched slowly but surely toward Baghdad in a typical ground war and lost 5000 causualties. And later found one long range missile capable of reaching Israel.
Then some would say the war was totally justified per GWB's comments, that we had plenty of reasons to go to war. That the decision was right
But my gosh the terrible casualties, who got us into this mess, what a crummy bunch of Generals, why didn't they dash in and bypass the Republican guard, why didn't we plaster those %^%$#$ with MOABs? Why didn't we attack sooner before they produced the VX .How are we going to get out of this.

Sig @someneverhappy.com

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To: epicure who wrote (106423)7/19/2003 10:13:44 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Defense Dept. issues edict that any soldier that criticizes Rumsfeld will pay:

nydailynews.com

This illustrates what kinda folks are in office. This may be unprecedented.