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To: TimF who wrote (172037)7/19/2003 6:57:52 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1577866
 
I agree but the setbacks are not minor.

There not minor when compared with the best possible expectations of what could have happened in Iraq. They are pretty minor compared to most historical experience of war both wars with Americans involved and otherwise.


Nothing that costs $5 billion per month and one death every two days is minor.

ted



To: TimF who wrote (172037)7/20/2003 3:06:34 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1577866
 
<font color=green> Here's an example of about what I was talking. This city is 100 miles south in Shi'ite territory. There were 10k demonstrators. This is not a small number nor is the city in the 1% of the territory referred to by the author. Let's hope that the responsible religious leader is as radical as some suggest.

Bottom line: things may not be as bad as some journalists claim but they are not nearly as good as claimed by your journalist.<font color=black>

ted


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Iraqi Shi'ite Faction Warns U.S. of 'Uprising'
Sun July 20, 2003 09:09 AM ET
By Miral Fahmy

NAJAF, Iraq (Reuters) - ,b>A group of Shi'ite Muslims in Iraq threatened violence if U.S. troops did not quit the holy city of Najaf, where rumors they had harassed a radical cleric sparked an angry protest by more than 10,000 people on Sunday.

The U.S. commander in the city, 160 km (100 miles) south of Baghdad, faced down the demonstrators. He flatly denied talk that his men had surrounded the cleric's house on Saturday and he deployed troops, arms at the ready, to get them to disperse.

Leading supporters of the fiercely anti-U.S. preacher, Moqtada al-Sadr, were dissatisfied, however, and warned of an "uprising" in Najaf if the Americans failed to pull out within three days. The U.S. commander said he was concerned about the threat but played down the size of Sadr's following in Najaf.

"If they don't leave, they will face a popular uprising," said Sayed Razak al-Moussawi, one of Sadr's aides, after the protesters presented the soldiers with a list of demands following a demonstration lasting more than two hours.

Whatever the immediate consequences, the high feelings sparked by an obscure and minor incident were indicative of problems the Americans face among the long-oppressed Shi'ite majority. Frequent attacks on U.S. troops since the fall of Saddam Hussein have mostly been in Saddam's Sunni heartlands.

SUPPORT UNCLEAR

The U.S. commander in Najaf, Lieutenant-Colonel Chris Conlin, said he believed Sadr had limited support in Najaf, where other, more senior religious figures are based.

A young cleric with limited religious authority but a considerable following among the poor, Sadr denounced the U.S. occupation in a sermon on Friday and has condemned U.S. efforts to launch self-rule by the Iraqi Governing Council.

"Mr al-Sadr is a young, immature man, who is rapidly losing support in the city," Conlin said.

"Sadr wants to import violence into this most peaceful city. But the people of Najaf do not want him."


But asked if the threats worried him nonetheless, Conlin said: "Yes, because Sadr's people are a bunch of riff-raff."

Following reports that troops had surrounded Sadr's house in response to his sermon, more than 10,000 Shi'ites marched on the Najaf office of the U.S. administration, though soldiers and barbed wire kept them more than a kilometer (a mile) away.

At least two armored personnel carriers guarded the building and U.S. soldiers were stationed on nearby rooftops.

Emotions ran high as the crowd swelled, chanting support for Sadr and beating their chests in unison. Protesters held up a sign in English which read: "This is a warning to America."

There were unconfirmed media reports of injuries. U.S. soldiers said some protesters had thrown rocks.

Shi'ites, reversing their under-representation under Saddam and earlier Iraqi rulers, account for 13 of the 25 seats on the new Governing Council and other Shi'ite leaders have either backed the U.S.-appointed body or at least reserved judgment.