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Politics : WHO IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN 2004 -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (3520)7/19/2003 8:28:06 PM
From: American Spirit  Respond to of 10965
 
Dean can too easily be branded by the GOP as a far-left Ben + Jerry's socialist. It may not be true but they can spend 200 million trying to cement that image in peoples minds. Vermont is probably the most liberal state in the US. if Dean were from Pennsylvania or something he would be much more electable. Also, dean has said things that aren't just anti-war but anti American military power. I'm not saying Dean cant beat Bush, I'm just saying Kerry can a lot easier. I also dont think Dean has a chance to get nominated. And once Kerry beats him in New Hampshire, which is almost a certainty, Dean will have a hard time getting traction again. I like Dean. I just like Kerry a lot more. This is Kerry's year. 2004 that is



To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (3520)7/19/2003 9:31:46 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Respond to of 10965
 
Hi Glenn,

Re: BTW, Eric Hoffer's book, which was first published in 1951, is number 657 on Amazon's best seller list.

That's an interesting note about the book ranking at 657. It has really fallen off the cliff here lately. Now it is at 3,833. At least for the first listed version....


ISBN: 0060505915 | All Editions
Average Customer Review: Based on 52 reviews. Write a review.

Amazon.com Sales Rank: 3,833


I have a feeling that the change of half a dozen books can really move books dramatically, once you get past the top 500 or so.

Here's one I had some fun with. Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States"
amazon.com
was discussed by Prof. Zinn last September on BookTV.org. They have a pretty good sized audience. Zinn's book got to #3 at Amazom the day after his 3 hour interview on Book TV. I emailed Prof. Zinn and happened to mention that the book was a bestseller. He was quite surprised and pleased, of course.
Now the book is rated at #256. Still damn respectable for a twenty year old book. Recently, the 1,000,000th copy was sold. It's a delight to me to see that a truer version of our history than that generally provided in our school systems has captured the imagination of high school and college instructors, and students across the land. I find it very encouraging when this much truth can get told.

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As far as characterizing John Kerry, (John Kerry = A lean Al Gore with better hair.), I recall how much Al Gore fretted over his image during the last campaign. He was embarrassed, for instance, to be photographed from the rear because he is balding like the good friars of yore. I think he even tried to disguise this fact.

Frankly, I'm more charmed by the likes of Adlai Stevenson who was photographed with his legs crossed on a campaign podium in '56, and a hole in the leather sole of his dress shoe showed up in the image. Stevenson got some mileage out of episode by stressing how fiscally frugal he was. :)

I still love his line: "Well, as long as the Republicans insist on lying about us, we Democrats are going to insist on telling the truth about them."

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Re: Howard Dean is the John McCain of 2004.

I'd love to see John McCain be the John Mccain of 2004. A campaign between McCain and Kucinich would be astonishingly refreshing. It would be the first time in decades most of us wouldn't be feeling like our choices were pre-ordained to the evil of two lessers.



To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (3520)7/20/2003 12:37:21 AM
From: calgal  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 10965
 
Sorry, far-leftists often lose

By Gary J. Andres

I asked a Democratic colleague the other day whom she supports for president in 2004. "In my head I'm for Gephardt, but in my heart I'm for Howard Dean." Based on the second-quarter fund-raising reports released yesterday and the general political buzz, her response was not unique. The Dean campaign has some fuel, and it's gathering momentum — and grabbing wallets.
At first, I found this view somewhat curious. Why would smart, politically savvy people support a nominee who — in my opinion — cannot win the general election? (I even considered suggesting that incoming Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie propose the old Goldwater slogan to the Dean campaign — "In Your Heart You Know He's Right." But I never made the call.) Mr. Dean fits a well-worn pattern in presidential politics — one that explains his recent surge, but also predicts an unhappy ending for his White House aspirations.
Political parties in America are loose confederations of people bound together, more often by electoral expediency than policy agreement. Southern whites and urban blacks thrown together in the original New Deal coalition in the 1930s are a classic example. American political parties are commonly "umbrella-like" organizations, "a coalition of many diverse partners," according to Duke University political scientist John Aldrich, in his book "Why Parties." Yet, not all party identifiers behave equally.
The more active and ideological "base voters" play a disproportionately strong role in each party's presidential nominating process — they contribute early and vote often. Their impact is most apparent when opposition parties challenge a popular incumbent president. This pattern helps explain why David Von Drehle in The Washington Post last week wrote, "The left is once again a driving force in the [Democratic] party" and why "the left has lifted one-time dark-horse presidential candidate [Dean] into near-front-runner status."
Over the last 50 years, party nominees who challenge popular sitting presidents often emerge from the more ideologically extreme element of the party. Mr. Dean's successful current pilgrimage follows a well-worn path.
For the Democrats, the best recent examples are Adlai Stevenson in 1956, George McGovern in 1972 and Walter Mondale in 1984. In each case, the Republican presidents seeking re-election were extremely popular. Approval ratings in November of the election year were Eisenhower (1956) 75 percent, Nixon (1972) 62 percent and Reagan (1984) 61 percent. Drawing on the energy and resources of the ideological left, the Democratic nominee in each of these cases was also among the most liberal of the potential candidates.
Republicans had their own example in 1964, when President Lyndon Johnson's approval was at 69 percent in November, and the GOP nominated Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater over his two more ideologically moderate competitors, Govs. Nelson Rockefeller of New York and William Scranton of Pennsylvania. Compared to his more middle-of-the-road Republican rivals, Goldwater, provided a "choice, not an echo" to Johnson, according to his GOP supporters.
Comparing 1964 and 1972, Mr. Aldrich says, "Like Goldwater's convention eight years earlier, McGovern's convention humiliated the former center of power in the party." He notes that Democrats replaced a pragmatic machine politician, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, with Jesse Jackson as a delegate (1972), while Republicans boisterously booed Mr. Rockefeller off the stage (1964).
There are some exceptions to this pattern, but each includes extenuating circumstances. Jimmy Carter lost in 1980, after Republican nominee Ronald Reagan ran to the right and defeated George H. W. Bush in the primaries. Yet, Mr. Carter's approval was about 31 percent around the election and a tough nomination fight against Sen. Edward Kennedy further battered his bid for re-election. President George H. W. Bush also lost in 1992, after a bruising primary challenge. He had a 34 percent approval rating around the election, with Ross Perot garnering nearly 20 percent of the vote.
Yet, despite these exceptions, the history and biases of the Democratic process clearly demonstrates how Mr. Dean could win the nomination. His competitors, as well as pundits who dismiss his campaign as "too liberal," do so at their own peril.
Nevertheless, another historical precedent deserves greater note — the general election results. When political parties nominate candidates associated with the ideological extreme, popular presidents win by a landslide. Eisenhower captured 57 percent in 1956, Johnson 61 percent in 1964, Nixon 61 percent in 1972 and Mr. Reagan 59 percent in 1984.
Howard Dean may indeed offer a "choice, not an echo" to voters and join a venerable list of candidates positioned far from the center median on the presidential nomination highway. Yet, history predicts treacherous traveling on the bumpy left shoulder of the road to the White House. So, if Mr. Dean wins the nomination, go ahead and add him to another tally sheet — political road kill on the path to an incumbent president's reelection bid.

URL:http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20030716-090310-7794r.htm