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To: GST who wrote (106531)	7/19/2003 10:38:53 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

France had been long gone when we got involved there. There were two Vietnamese govts. We tried to prevent the Communist one from conquering the non-Communist one.

To: GST who wrote (106531)	7/19/2003 10:47:22 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

And don't forget: In 1963, unpopular South Vietnamese president Ngo Dinh Diem was murdered in a coup that was tacitly supported by the US. Sihanouk was furious with what he saw as the United States' arrogant interference in Asia's local affairs, so he refused further aid and ordered the US embassy staff out of Cambodia. In numerous public diatribes he levied charges that the US was still supporting Son Ngoc Thanh, the once-popular anti-monarchist partisan whom he personally despised. Privately, Lon Nol and other pro-US ministers were uncomfortable with Sihanouk's turn against the US, yet they knew they were in no position to do much about it. And in what may have been an attempt to send positive signals to China and North Vietnam, Sihanouk announced he would nationalize much of the country's industrial infrastructure, declaring himself an ardent socialist and a crusader against Western imperialism. The abandonment of Cambodia was also truly horrible: (remember there was a coup in Cambodia before this...to get rid of that happy commie leaning Buddhist prince Sihanouk, thorn in the side of the US ) On April 1, a weeping Lon Nol, crippled by nervous breakdowns and a series of minor strokes, fled Phnom Penh for Hawaii with his family and entourage while Prince Sirik Matak and other Lon Nol supporters remained behind in the hopes of organizing a last-minute peace talks. The Khmer Rouge rejected the talks and pressed further into the capital. US Ambassador to Cambodia John Gunther Dean quickly made plans to evacuate US embassy staff and their families along with key Cambodian government officials, including Sirik Matak, Lon Nol's brother Lon Non, and acting prime minister Long Boret. All three declined the offer. In the hours leading up to the evacuation Sirik Matak responded to Dean's invitation: Dear Excellency and friend, I thank you very sincerely for your letter and for your offer to transport me towards freedom. I cannot, alas, leave in such a cowardly fashion. As for you and in particular for your great country, I never believed for a moment that you would have this sentiment of abandoning a people which has chosen liberty. You have refused us your protection and we can do nothing about it. You leave us and it is my wish that you and your country will find happiness under the sky. But mark it well that, if I shall die here on the spot and in my country that I love, it is too bad because we are all born and must die one day. I have only committed the mistake of believing in you, the Americans. Please accept, Excellency, my dear friend, my faithful and friendly sentiments. Sirik Matak. Prince Sisowath Sirik Matak, former contender for the Cambodian throne and co-conspirator in the Lon Nol coup, would be executed by the Khmer Rouge two weeks later, along with Long Boret, Lon Non, and the other remaining members of the Lon Nol government.

To: GST who wrote (106531)	7/21/2003 12:12:05 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Being "communist" was just the price they paid for being free. Not that they are free, they can move towards a more liberal political system if they choose. Anyone else noting the "irony" in the above statement? I guess they will have to exhibit that right to "choose" through the barrel of a gun... Because there sure aren't any credible elections in that country... And all that "talking" we did, one on one, with N. Vietnam sure didn't prevent the fall of S. Vietnam. Hawk