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To: Rambi who wrote (106642)	7/20/2003 11:58:09 AM
From: Rascal	Respond to of 281500

Very well, said. I was just speaking with Lindy Bill about this. Rascal

To: Rambi who wrote (106642)	7/20/2003 12:59:39 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 281500

Great post Rambi.

To: Rambi who wrote (106642)	7/20/2003 1:22:00 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 281500

Re: humanitarianism "I am strongly in favor of using poisoned gas against uncivilized tribes. The moral effect should be good...and it would spread a lively terror.... " -- Winston Churchill commenting on the British use of poison gas against the Iraqis after World War I -

To: Rambi who wrote (106642)	7/20/2003 2:20:24 PM
From: marcos	Respond to of 281500

Rambi, this is a read-three-times post .... very well said There is simply never a reason to discuss anything, to talk to each other at all, until we have some degree of common ground related to the matter under discussion .... often in the heat of disagreement, we forget that, even though it was a necessary pre-condition for talking in the first place We're all opposed to the crimes of the bin Ladens and Husseins, that seems to be universal common ground on the english internet anyway .... differences come into it only as to the manner of fighting crime, and of structuring our systems to discourage crime Basic split at the moment seems to be, some support this PNAC scaled-up latter-day version of an imperial monarchy that decides international issues according to its own agenda and unhindered by constitution or by requirement to debate that agenda in parliamentary fashion ..... while others, not surprisingly those left out of the inner sanctum of empire, feel that the governed should get a little say in how we are ruled, so we should fix up the UN, make it work for us, so that we can stake out some common ground, water it nicely, mix it up and sling mud at each other forever