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Politics : WHO IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN 2004 -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: American Spirit who wrote (3541)7/20/2003 6:32:12 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10965
 
AS,

Our little tête à tête here is a perfect ringer for the conversation that occurred this week on "Left, Right and Center".

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Your position is most akin to that of the host, Matt Miller, and my position is exactly that of Robert Scheer.

My passion is that the U.S. has lost all credibility in the world. The scoundrels in the White House are devoid of integrity.

Miller believes this on domestic issues, but incongruously expresses gratitude that Saddam Hussein has been removed and not much regret that Bush had to lie us into the war. Miller is a centrist, and apparently so are you. But the trouble I have with adopting the sort of centrist views I hear being expressed is that there is a profound moral ambivalence that I find extremely corrosive to civil society. There is such a thing as right and wrong. The way I see it, Hussein was wrong, Bush was wrong and two wrongs do appear to make the Right. But not a decent society.

Of course David Frum, the representative of the Right has plenty of imitators on this thread. I absolutely marvel at the man's ability to so consistently lie about nearly everything. But, that's the Right for you... <g>

I note your pragmatism, and find it understandable, but not commendable. It strikes me it is more Republican-lite than I can be comfortable with. My calculus is that there is a large segment of the public who voted against Al Gore in 2000 because they were convinced that Clinton was a slimy liar. I believe these people can be convinced that Bush is even more of a liar and dishonorable man than Clinton ever dreamed of being. Attacking Bush is a winning strategy, IMO.
Being mealy-mouthed and hedging his bets will not do Mr. Kerry the good he hopes. Of course, using surrogates is a wonderful and time honored practice. However Mr. Kerry does it, teaching the American electorate about the criminal nature of the Bush Administration ought to be the goal.

Ciao!



To: American Spirit who wrote (3541)7/20/2003 7:56:32 PM
From: Tadsamillionaire  Respond to of 10965
 
Gephardt, in N.H., takes aim at Bush - 'Worst President I've Served With,' He Tells Gathering
by Glen Johnson

DURHAM, N. H. -- President Bush has so mishandled the economy and foreign affairs, Representative Richard A. Gephardt said yesterday, that the Democratic presidential contender said he was nostalgic for the return of Republicans Ronald Reagan and Richard M. Nixon.

During a house party at the start of two days of campaigning across the nation's first presidential primary state, the Missouri congressman lashed out at Bush over economic and foreign policy, as well as what he said was a lack of delivery on promises to improve homeland security.

''Democrats get economics -- and we proved it during the Clinton years,'' Gephardt said to a crowd of about 70 Democrats gathered in the home of Katie Wheeler, a party activist and former state senator, and her husband, Doug. ''In 24 months, this president has darn-near wrecked the economy.''

Gephardt cited the nation's 6.4 percent unemployment rate and ballooning federal budget deficits, which the White House said last week had grown to $455 billion, as evidence that Bush's reliance on tax cuts is not restoring the nation's economy, which started a slow decline at the end of President Clinton's second term.

''It doesn't work,'' Gephardt said. ''We proved it didn't work in the '80s.''

During a fund-raiser on Friday in Dallas, Bush refused to answer his Democratic critics, saying, ''The political season will come in its own time.'' A spokesman for the Republican National Committee responded yesterday to Gephardt's remarks by criticizing the candidate's House attendance record.

''There should have been a big celebration either yesterday or today, because Dick Gephardt hit the 90 percent mark on missed votes in Congress'' for the year, said Jim Dyke, the committee's communications director. ''I would think the people in his district are nostalgic for their congressman.''

Gephardt favors a repeal of the tax cuts enacted since Bush took office in January 2001. Instead, he would use the tax revenues to provide universal health care coverage, which he said would indirectly spur economic growth, and for social programs such as repaying student loans for people who agree to teach for five years.

The congressman also lambasted Bush for not better equipping police officers and firefighters, who would be the first to respond to a terrorist attack, and for not getting at the root of anti-American terrorism by addressing fundamentalist teachings in Middle Eastern countries. Gephardt said that while he served as the House Democratic leader, he urged Bush on three occasions to build a broad international coalition before attacking Iraq, in part to spread the cost of an invasion, in part to reduce the risk to American troops. Gephardt voted for the congressional resolution authorizing military action in Iraq.

''This is a dangerous, difficult world we live in, and this president, . . . he is not up to the job,'' Gephardt said. ''He doesn't have the knowledge and the information that he ought to have, and he's not listening to the right people who do have the knowledge and information, and he's not curious to find the answers that we need to keep you safe.''

Following his stop in Durham, Gephardt and his wife, Jane, boarded a mobile home recently bought by one of their chief New Hampshire supporters, lobbyist Jim Demers, for visits to Conway, Berlin, and Laconia. Today he will start with visits to three Manchester diners, before attending two house parties and a picnic in Nashua. Tonight he will throw out the first pitch at the Nashua Pride minor league baseball game.

Gephardt's visit to the Wheelers got off to a raucous start when Katie Wheeler criticized Bush, saying, ''I don't think we've ever had a worse president.''

Gephardt said, ''I agree that George Bush is the worst president I have ever served with. I have served with five. I'm nostalgic for Reagan these days . . . I might even be nostalgic for Nixon.'' When the audience laughed, Gephardt said he was only partly kidding. He has served in the House for 26 years.

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