To: average joe who wrote (2037 ) 7/21/2003 12:20:31 PM From: zonder Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7834 I am quite familiar with the history of Freemasonry, thank you. Hiram Abif, the architect of the Salomon's temple, his fabled death, etc etc are all all part of the folklore. Since you seem to have an idea about the Scottish Rite and all that, you must know that Freemasonry as we know was NOT around thousands of years ago. Here is your "building of King Solomon's Temple" reference. Read and learn that its use in Masonic rituals today does NOT mean there was Freemasonry thousands of years ago:Hiram Abif legend was not used when modern Freemasonry started in 1717 . By 1730 (just a few years later) it was the central part of the Masonic ritual.> bessel.org That it uses symbols and rituals TODAY from Jewish mysticism and esoteric groups dating back to Egypt does not change THE FACT that Masonic lodges were mere masonry (literal sense of the word) organizations some 700 years ago. If you wish to challenge me on anything I have written, challenge me. Otherwise, stop wasting my time. The "sources" you have posted, as well as your diatribe on how I could not possibly know anything about Freemasonry proved pretty well the depth of your ignorance on the subject. I suggest you take the latter route and save yourself for another day, one where you might actually have a chance.I doubt you will find any clues to their secret rites by doing Google searches that you are quite famous for or in popular novels. You "doubt"? You DOUBT??? Imbecile. Stop "doubting" and start RESEARCHING. On this subject, I have read REAL BOOKS, like you know, those printed on paper and stuff. Written by REAL Freemasons, not your crappy websites written by loonies obsessed with Satanism, laden with conspiracy theories and ads on UFO visits.