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To: michael97123 who wrote (106912)	7/21/2003 1:58:30 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

'We are starting pitcher , nato as middle relief and the UN as closer' No way .... not when we the independents pointed out clearly and in advance that this ball game is being played on the green felt of Islam and involves multiple balls of multiple colours, that it is a frickin billiards game m'sieu, that you would be well advised to keep your baseball bat the hell out of the room until we all together decide a rational use for it ... you must appreciate that this involves a revision of the rules We are now in the position where if we help you swing that bat, we reinforce the hubris of Washington neocons that controls it ...... we are greatly torn at this point, weighing the possibility of what we could do to better the situation in Iraq, if anything, against the likelihood that in so doing we would be rewarding idiocy, encouraging the PNAC bunch to start up another adventure elsewhere, using javelins in a marble game perhaps, how can we possibly know, they cook this stuff up in the back rooms

To: michael97123 who wrote (106912)	7/21/2003 2:06:13 PM
From: aladin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Mike, Its not as simple as it seems. Peacekeeping may be popular with the media, but its just as deadly as war. Occupation is occupation. In the Balkans alone - Canada lost 23 soldiers between deployment in 1995 and 2002. A little over 100 dead since the founding of the UN - for a deployment of approximately 100,000 troops (counted as soldier tours of duty). Dead per deployed-tour-of-duty numbers look worse for these missions than Gulf War 1 or 2 (so far). Albeit they are far better than Korea/Vietnam and prior Wars. Just because the US Govt is hated and the UN revered in liberal circles, don't start thinking the UN is loved when its imposing the worlds viewpoint on some country. You will notice that the UN forces used to be largely staffed from countries like Canada, Norway, Belgium etc, but increasingly utilizes forces from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia. Western countries don't like causulties. War is news - so these dead are on the Front Page - Peacekeeping deaths don't even rate the first 10 pages. The exception was Somalia - because Peacekeeping was unusual for the US at the time. John