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To: see clearly now who wrote (107721)	7/24/2003 2:18:04 PM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 281500

JJ posted the actual poll and questions on my thread. Makes quite a difference when you see how the paper "spun" the questions. Poll - here's the link: Blackbox Weißes Haus (Blackbox White House) zeit.de Question 1: "Glauben Sie, dass Sie aus TV- und Presseberichten die volle Wahrheit über den 11. September erfahren haben?" "Do you believe that you have learned the full truth about September 11 from TV and press reports?" Would you yourself answer this question with a 100% "yes"? Question 2: "Glauben Sie, dass die US-Regierung die Anschläge vom 11. September selbst in Auftrag gegeben haben könnte?" "Do you believe that the US government might have ordered the September 11 attacks itself?" Ok, it's 19% agreement with this question, 72% disagreement. But it's interesting to watch the differentiation between former East and West Germany: 29% and 16%, respectively. In other words: people who had lived in a communist country are traditionally more reserved towards government institutions. - Another factor is the insinuating tone of the question. There is a general bias towards "yes", no matter what the question is. If there had been a selection of several choices the outcome might have been totally different. Here's another Zeit headline for you: "Wiederaufbau: Nach dem Nein zum Krieg ein Ja zum Aufbau Nahost Deutsche nach Bagdad" zeit.de Reconstruction: After the No the the war a Yes to the reconstruction of the Middle East Germans to Baghdad

To: see clearly now who wrote (107721)	7/24/2003 4:08:54 PM
From: Sig	Respond to of 281500

<<<I have learned more from this (and other) ongoing discussions on the internet about what is really going on in your country and what I am concerned most about is that their is a Shadow government with an over arching governing policy/agenda " which has nothing to do with the policies that this present Government was 'elected' on...and worse yet it appears that it is not even being debated in the Governing institutions. >>>> The best way to visualize the US government is from an economic standpoint. Picture this huge building housing many printing presses running three shifts per day Its only about 30 miles East of me, in Fort Worth. Centrally located so thieves have to travel over 1000 miles to get away, unless they have a boat in the Gulf. They are printing $695 million each day of notes, which is unfair to say, as 95% are to replace torn bills. But new production runs around $1 bil per month The largest bill available is the $100 bill, except for the Government who is more important so is allowed to have a note for $100,000,000 which can only be used by the IMF. (and we hope there not many of those notes) Do we get this money ? No the Banks get the money, so this gives a clue as to who really runs the US- Big banks. And the Government decides which banks get the money Besides the new money there is the old money, taxes collected from workers and given to the govenrnent by your employer. So Washington has this absolutely astounding input of money to distribute, and under each chair of a seated Congressman is a barrel. ( sometimes called a pork barrel) His only job is to collect as much money for his State, or District, or the Company he owns stock in as he can as they pass the Bills around. . I think you are being misled by talks of collusion, there is no collusion in this -it is every man for himself Then there are the Mints to produce coins, and there are 4 but only Denver and Philadelphia are active. Producing about 12 bil coins per year with a value around $1 bil. But these are sold to the banks, as they are too heavy to ship to DC so there is no "cut" taken, although I believe the Mints make a profit. . Hope this clarifies things Sig

To: see clearly now who wrote (107721)	7/24/2003 5:44:23 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I have learned more from this (and other) ongoing discussions on the internet about what is really going on in your country and what I am concerned most about is that their is a Shadow government with an over arching governing policy/agenda Ooooh ! ! ! ! Black Helicopters, the Military Industrial Complex and 1984 ! ! ! ! ! While Mexico (where I live)is slowly moving away from a government of/by powerful special interests towards a Democracy, the US is moving dramaticaly away from Democracy....towards a government of/by powerful Special interests... Oh baloney. From time to time abuses have been attempted by politicians here, as in any government, and we've handled them (Watergate, McCarthyism, you can go back further to Teapot Dome, etc) and this will be no different. You've no doubt noticed that the US constitution is intact after all this time ? Please note that the French are on their Fifth Republic since their revolution (which took place around the same time frame as the American one), and they consider themselves geniuses at running a working democracy. As for the news media quality; this is not a conspiracy, it's simply a side effect of the fact that the mainstream media is advertising driven, and is really another form of mass entertainment. The same problem afflicts other Western democracies (such as France), anywhere there is a free press.

To: see clearly now who wrote (107721)	7/24/2003 6:23:18 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Respond to of 281500

<It will be interesting to see how long US citizens take to catch on?> Until they catch on, my fellow Americans will mostly react with anger, casually dismissing all the criticisms of America's War Policy made by non-Americans. Eventually, we will figure it out, as we did in Vietnam. Hopefully, sometime before the body-count gets as high as it did then. Americans are a very proud people, who are used to instructing others, but not used to listening politely when the Others have an opinion.