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To: KLP who wrote (107872)	7/25/2003 2:04:03 AM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 281500

Hi KLP; Re: "You are going to have to get out more JS. If you listen TV and to some of the Iraqi's themselves on TV, you will see they wanted pictures or proof they were actually dead. They got that proof." While it's nice to imagine that the corpses were photographed in a spirit of providing Iraqis with what they wanted, the fact is that the Geneva Convention doesn't have an exception to how corpses are supposed to be handled: ... The Geneva Convention also requires parties to search for the dead that after an engagement. The search should be made immediately.19 Records must be maintained of the dead, and this information along with articles of sentimental value must be passed to the descendant’s nation. The descendant’s remains must be honorably interned, preferably in individual graves for later identification if necessary. Cremation is only authorized on hygienic or religious grounds.20 ... ots.afoats.af.mil By the way, for those who have already forgot, or who wonder what "honorably" means in the above context, here's what the US Department of Defense said when the Iraqis displayed US dead on TV: ... The United States and Iraq also are parties to the 1949 Geneva Convention on the Wounded and Sick, Parks [special assistant to the U.S. Army Judge Advocate General for law of war matters] noted. This convention, he pointed out, also deals with the protection and respect for enemy and dead on the battlefield. Warring sides are required to protect the dead against pillage and ill treatment, he noted, and to ensure that the dead are honorably interred, their graves respected. ... Parks said American and coalition forces in Iraq conduct all operations in compliance with the law of war. And he pointed out that there's no other country that devotes more resources to training and compliance with the laws of war than the United States. ... defenselink.mil ... He used three examples of violations. In the first, Parks pointed out Iraqi television and Al-Jazeera airing of an Iraqi regime-produced videotape of deceased U.S. or coalition service members. The tape depicts fundamental violations of the Geneva Conventions, such as prohibitions on pillage and ill treatment of the dead, and the duty to respect the personal dignity of all captured combatants. ... defenselink.mil -- Carl

To: KLP who wrote (107872)	7/25/2003 10:19:25 AM
From: Rascal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I guess we won't have to blame video games, music, movies and Tv for influencing violent behavior by our teens in the USA anymore. Now violence gets the imprimatur of the higest level of this Administration. What will Lynn CHeney do now? The true impact of these pictures and videos will be revealed over time. It's not so much what the Arabs beleive . It's more about what we and the rest of the world will come to believe about ourselves. Land of the free home of the brave. What happened to our values? Rummy's Subjective use of the Geneva COnvention. Cheney's speech (no questions from the press please) on the way things were. Propaganda/Marketing based on an Administrations's need to justify themselves and always be right. We will be silenced the next time there is a Black Hawk Down incident. Heaven forbid what will happen the next time our soldiers are caught or wounded. This is the new brand America. Old cold warrior chickenhawks making decisions, justifications, rationalizations. Oh, I forgot. These were creatures. Raw meat for the meat grinder. Not human. Who decides who is human? We are the new Regime in Iraq. lowering ourselves to their levels instead of raising them to ours. Bremer should be holding town meetings with the newly appointed Council showing Iraqi's how Democracy and American values can improve things. Instead the Council is flown to New York to get validation, flown to Mosul to identify bodies, picking new holidays to commemorate American Invasion. We are better than all this. I will not give up hope. These last few years are just a nightmare and eventually we will find our way back. Time will tell. Rascal @whatamess.com