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Politics : Support the French! Viva Democracy! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (2185)	7/25/2003 7:41:25 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 7834

<I know Europeans take their Masonry more seriously than Americans do> Yes, that is a serious problem, another serious dilemma of USA. However, maybe in another 4-8 generations, that dilemma will just be many, many more chapters in US history. (the plan for Italy was to first avoid a division north south, allow for some special circumstances, and some deacedes within EU and EMY, despite Berlusconi) web.singnet.com.sg collectmad.com hvdfid.homestead.com

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (2185)	7/27/2003 2:10:02 PM
From: zonder	Respond to of 7834

I am not surprised I never came across references to the Carbonari in researching Freemasonry, because it seems their only "link" to the latter is that it is "possibly derived from Freemasonry". As for the anecdote about kissing a goat's behind, it is complete crap. Either he has made the story up himself, or the group he was initiated into was not Freemasonry.