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To: lurqer who wrote (23334)	7/25/2003 8:14:30 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 89467

Where you loose me, is when you say "it's all about OIL industry interests". That "all" bothers me. All is legitimate in the sense that it was the first cause. Oil is the reason that attention was paid to certain countries like Iran and Iraq, then other considerations refined the choice to Iraq. Had it not been for oil then Iraq would have been some kind of add-on thought like Libya or Korea. Any other consideration could have been changed and Iraq would still have been attacked, but without the oil the attack would have happened elsewhere, probably Iran. In that sense, it is all about oil. TP

To: lurqer who wrote (23334)	7/25/2003 10:09:26 PM
From: elpolvo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

lurq- don't put too much weight into my deductions in that post. "ALL" may be an exaggeration (but i tend to agree with tiger's paw about "first cause") what i'm really interested in is YOUR deductions or opinions after reading the baker & PIRF study. also interested in your comment: First, there was the Rove input on last fall's elections. i'm ignorant here. please enlighten me with a few words on the Rove factor? and as to the MIC factor... i think it's secondary (though there probably has to be partnering and cooperation involved) but currently, the leaders and bosses of the armed forces are the OILers... but bidness is bidness, and the MIC makes a good bedfellow to the OIL bidness. in a loosely related matter, a fellow new mexican died yesterday: Bush Nominee for Navy Secretary Commits Suicide Fri Jul 25, 5:36 PM ET story.news.yahoo.com WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites)'s nominee to be secretary of the Navy, oil executive Colin McMillan, died on Thursday of a self-inflicted gunshot to the head, the New Mexico medical examiners offices said. McMillan, 67, died at his ranch in southern New Mexico. "The manner of death was suicide," said Tim Stepetic, associate director of New Mexico's Office of the Medical Investigator. "Mr. McMillan died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head." Scot Key, a state district attorney in Alamogordo, New Mexico, said his office was looking into reports that McMillan may have had a recurrence of cancer. A spokesman for McMillan's family said the nominee had been treated for cancer of the jaw. Bush sent "condolences and prayers" to McMillan's family and friends. "Colin was a public servant and patriot who served his country and state," the president said in a statement. New Mexico's senior senator, Republican Pete Domenici, a longtime friend of McMillan, paid tribute to him in remarks on the floor of the Senate and in a subsequent statement. "This is one that you would never believe, even when you are told it's true," Domenici said of McMillan's death. "He will be missed by so many people. He leaves us at a relatively young age; his successes are many," Domenici said. Bush nominated McMillan on May 7 to replace Gordon England, who stepped down as Navy secretary in January to become deputy secretary of the new Department of Homeland Security. McMillan was chairman of Permian Exploration Corp., which specializes in oil and gas exploration. In 1990, he was appointed by Bush's father, then-President George Bush, to serve as assistant secretary of defense, a position he held until 1992. A funeral is set for Monday in Roswell, said Roswell Mayor Bill Owen, who is also a spokesman for the McMillan family. "It is a difficult time and the family will have many difficult days and weeks and months ahead," Owen said. (With additional reporting by Jon Herskovitz in Dallas) i have come to no conclusions on the circumstances of his death. at this point i have read nothing credible about the recurrence of cancer. i feel sadness for his family and friends. the only reason i bring it up is to point out that he was one of the most powerful OILers in the state, the former assistant secretary of defense under bush sr. and the future secretary of the navy under bush jr. he ran unsuccessfully for governor of NM. (we're mostly democrats here but we had a republican governor for the past eight years... governor gary "pot should be legal" johnson.) -polver