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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (71001)	7/28/2003 11:08:06 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

ME: "...unanimous agreement among sensible human beings that it is a bad “idea?” If so, it is an absolute. " You: "How can there be agreement when, given the same facts of a situation, different answers emerge?" situation situation situation... I have stated several times now that situations are not, no how, no way, not not not absolute. They are individual and subject to individual points of view so you never, never, never can get absolute agreement on situations. I keep thinking we have a common understanding on this point but... I have argued that an ideal is an abstract idea that represents an absolute....until...it is viewed in a particular situation. An abstract idea ...can be seen in the absolute...our condition of living in the world does not permit us to agree on any situation or conduct associated with a situation as ideal. We agree on this, right? So, you shouldn't keep asking me about this situation, that situation, and the other situation since we both are always going to agree that most human beings will have differing opinions about any situation we could look at...do you agree that we agree on this? "You have top do that; different parents and societies teach different things; if there is a single absolute moral code, they can't all be right." The premise is not correct. You can show me how people view their situations differently but you haven't shown me that they teach different ideals. "be kind, be not unjust, etc. are ideals. They don't teach absolute morality that is different. They teach relative morality that is different. For example: they probably all teach that it is good to be kind to your brother...then because of their situational point of view they start teaching you who doesn't qualify as a brother...The absolute moral teaching is to "be kind to others." The situation they see them selves in modifies the directive. You of course can see this because you keep pointing out how different peoples apply the same moral in different ways. I think we do agree on all this but for some reason you are shy about recognising that ideals of morality exist.