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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (108275)7/27/2003 3:57:50 AM
From: kumar  Respond to of 281500
 
u missed the point in my post, (of which Bill took a snippet )

The point was Muslim custom says bury a body within 24 hours of death. That did not happen.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (108275)7/27/2003 5:36:42 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
London Times today on Uday. Should be read by those who think we were too hard on them.

Saddam's son fed his love rivals to the lions
Hala Jaber, Baghdad
A CHIEF executioner to one of Saddam's sons has revealed how he helped drag two victims into a cage to be devoured by lions.

The executioner said that he was ordered to seize two 19-year-old students and take them to a farm of Uday Hussein, Saddam's oldest son who was killed by American forces last week.

As soon as they arrived the students were dragged to a cage containing the lions and forced inside. ?I saw the head of the first student literally come off his body with the first bite,? he said. He then had to stand and watch the animals devour the two young men: "By the time they were finished there was little left but for the bones and bits and pieces of unwanted flesh."

He was told later that the two young men "had competed with Uday where some young ladies were concerned".

The 36-year-old executioner, who used the pseudonym of Abu Ahmad, also took part in mass beheadings on the orders of the sadistic Uday. In a single afternoon he supervised the decapitation of 36 people, including a pregnant woman.

He was so distressed at participating in the killing of an unborn child that he "wished for Allah to open up the ground and swallow everyone there including myself". But he feared that if he disobeyed orders he too would be executed.

He was also involved in barbarous "pyramid" executions in which the victims were split down the middle. Using a special vice to hold the head, a swordsman split victims as they kneeled; another executioner carved the body into two, like a slaughterman in an abattoir.

Ahmad was recruited from the Iraqi army six years ago into the Saddam Fedayeen, part of the security forces commanded by Uday. He was later promoted to lieutenant-colonel and put in charge of Unit 18, which carried out personal missions for Uday.

He was inducted into the barbarous scope of Unit 18?s work in 1999 when he was summoned to Uday's compound in a Baghdad presidential palace. On arrival, he was ordered to behead a prisoner.

It was his first time.

"The prisoner did not utter a word. I think he had by then resigned himself to his fate. I knew nothing of the man," he recalled.

Uday did not watch executions but sent a cameraman to film them. On his orders the victims' remains were returned to their families with the head and body in separate bags.<<<
timesonline.co.uk



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (108275)7/27/2003 12:18:43 PM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
If you are really worried about winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqis, then notions of reciprocity are silly. They are not interested in winning our hearts and minds, but we are (allegedly) interested in winning theirs. Or so I keep reading. That seems to be the real issue- though you can certainly obfuscate it if you wish.