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To: one_less who wrote (71021)	7/28/2003 12:33:40 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"I am arguing that subjective view points reference the ideal. I thought you and I had agreement on that." The reason I tried so hard to clarify issues with you was because you truly "argued" nothing. You simply begged the question and asserted it as axiomatic over and over again. I will leave you to Karen and others to debate this with. Stating that such and such are "ideal" or "absolute" simply because you say they are leaves no interest for me. Hey look! "A cow is a hunk of meat!", "wet hands are wet", "it is good to be good!" See...I told you that ideas were "ideal" and "absolute"! It is just in situations that things are no longer ideal. And this is one of those situations. Have fun, Jewels. We'll touch base some other time on topics where you are not so touchy...

To: one_less who wrote (71021)	7/28/2003 4:46:17 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

The word absolute connotes something to some of you that has a rub. The rub is not of my making. The rub IS of your making. If you were really interested in communicating let alone finding some common ground, you would quit using the word. The "rub" is that the word means what it means. If you're going to put your own spin on words, arbitrarily assigning meaning to them, at least choose words that don't "rub." I am arguing that subjective view points reference the ideal. I thought you and I had agreement on that. I understand that. Just say "ideal" instead of the "A" word, for heaven's sake, and quit either obfuscating or poking posters with a stick, whichever is your intent. We don't really know what they were taught. You have been arguing for "absolute moral principles" (aka "moral ideals") in part on the basis that certain of them are consistent over time and cultures. I think that ubiquity is a reasonable approach to "proving" absoluteness, but my point was that I don't think kindness is an example of that. Seems to me that the concept of kindness, while widely understood by peoples, has not been considered a moral ideal all that regularly. Personally, I don't think I'd give much moral weight to kindness.