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To: StockDung who wrote (84927)	7/28/2003 12:32:45 PM
From: scion	Respond to of 122087

I wonder how many other aliases Georgino used, and what they were? Also, how many posts and TOS reports were made by Georgino and his "monitors" on Raging Bull? Does Georgino have a paid 'pool' of people he uses as 'monitors', or does he dupe some people into doing the 'monitoring'? I wonder if RB and SI, for instance, would reveal how many letters or e-mails they have received from Asiavest, and what the purpose of the correspondence was?

To: StockDung who wrote (84927)	7/28/2003 12:36:53 PM
From: scion	Respond to of 122087

Many posters fall in the category of being outright criminals. These are the ones that feel hurting a company or investors is nothing more than a financial game, until they cross the line and feel the long arm of the law and the rath (sic) of corporate entities that fight back. MESSAGE BOARDS AND CHAT ROOMS AN EXCLUSIVE REPORT THIS IS PART I OF A THREE PART SERIES DEALING WITH MESSAGE BOARDS AND HOW THEY ARE USED BY COMPANIES, THE MEDIA, INVESTORS, AND CRIMINALS, TO MANIPULATE STOCK PRICES. THIS IS NOT FICTION, IT IS A REALITY. There are a variety of financial message boards and chat rooms on the worldwide internet. The most popular of these boards are Yahoo, Silicon Investor, and Raging Bull. Pick out a trading symbol, almost any trading symbol and you should be able to find an appropriate message board or chat room. When you find the right board you may find everything from professional pump and dump artists to criminals that have [naked] shorted the stock you have selected (remember shorting a stock is not illegal, but naked shorting is!). Profound statements such as THIS STOCK WILL SOON BE HALTED to NEW SALES ARE GOING TO PUSH THIS STOCK PRICE THRU THE ROOF, will be found posted on many of these message board sites. Some of the posters are sincere investors and others are outright criminals. Most posters use screen names or aliases to protect their true identity. As you search through the various message boards you will find such aliases as PUMPANDDUMP, iamgumby, stockwizzard, truthseeker, scambuster, mamabear, pluvia, observer, backman, 200mph, tooldude, ripalips, pilapir, and the list goes on and on. In many cases, the same poster may have an unlimited number of aliases and can often be found on message boards, posting and answering messages to themselves under various aliases. It is also common to share passwords with associates, allowing for numerous individuals to post under a "common" screen name. They would like you to believe that their motivation for posting on the boards is to either steer you towards a great investment, or alert you to a scam. The reality is that "most" have a self interest for posting and in most cases that self interest can be measured in monetary terms. Many of these posters are even compensated to post on the boards by individuals and companies attempting to manipulate certain stocks. The boards are monitored by a variety of governmental and quasi-governmental agencies such as the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. We ourselves, generally will have three or four investigators, monitoring various message boards and chat rooms, at any given time. Our primary concern in monitoring the message boards, is to protect the interests of our clients. Never believe what is posted on public message boards, do your own due diligence. The reason for this is that there is no pre-verification process for information posted on these message boards and it is a fact that many of the posters are fraudsters, stock manipulators, vindictive ex-employees and outright criminals. Basically they can post whatever they like, with little or no recourse. Most posters will hide behind the First Ammendment of the Constitution. Control over what is posted on public message boards is limited by First Amendment Rights and the general right to freedom of expression. There have been a variety of lawsuits initiated against message board posters and those suits have generally gone in favor of the posters (Defendants). Often times you will find posters claiming to have been libeled, although the courts have held that an anonymous poster can not be legally libeled. Our general opinion of message board posting is that it almost always victimizes the company or harms sincere investors. The negative aspects certainly appear to outweigh the positive. Because of recent criminal cases, there has been more attention directed to message board postings, by certain enforcement agencies. Also, new computer technology both in the governmental and private sectors has allowed for the shield of anonymity to fade away on many message board posters. The value in identifying message board posters is that when and if they cross the line between freedom of expression and criminal activity, they can appropriately be dealt with. Many posters fall in the category of being outright criminals. These are the ones that feel hurting a company or investors is nothing more than a financial game, until they cross the line and feel the long arm of the law and the rath of corporate entities that fight back. In our opinion, public message boards are one of the most flagrant avenues for stock manipulation. angelfire.com

To: StockDung who wrote (84927)	7/28/2003 12:52:55 PM
From: scion	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 122087

Our investigators have used this procedure very effectively and have been directly responsible for having certain postings removed from message boards and in many cases we have been effective in removing posters from message boards, for violating the TOS. This exclusive report has been prepared by Asiavest investigators: Andy Chen (Taipei), Joyce Lu (Beijing) and Frank Taylor (Los Angeles). MESSAGE BOARD POSTERS Update 1 EXCLUSIVE Message boards such as Yahoo and Silicon Investor give investors the opportunity to share their views and comments as they may relate to a specific stocks or general investing. It also allows vindictive former employees, competitors, stock manipulators and others to publicly post their negative messages. Negative message posters are generally referred to as "bashers". In most cases these negative posters have shorted a certain stock and want to do all that they can to see the stock price move downward. You will find that most negative posters generally work in teams and will often exchange passwords with fellow posters. When a certain stock comes under fire by groups of negative posters, there is almost always a negative effect on the company that is under attack. The negative posters or bashers will usually have a specific plan of attack. Not only will they post negative messages, they will also send messages to the SEC and other governmental agencies with unfounded and baseless allegations. They will often times contact suppliers and customers of the targeted company and flood them with negative information about the targeted company. The plan of the bashers is to create havoc and cause sincere investors to lose confidence in the targeted company. In most circumstances negative posters are loosely organized and rarely work alone. The negative posters are easy to find and will generally attack companies with weak fundamentals. In many cases they will work hand in hand with journalists, who thrive on negative journalism and hatchet job articles. Is posting negative information about a company on public message boards illegal? Absolutely not, but there are applicable rules and laws that apply to the posting of information on public message boards. Intentional misinformation is actionable by governmental authorities, especially if it has an effect on the trading price of a security. You will find that all message boards and chat rooms have terms of service (TOS). These are the basic rules that posters must adhere to when posting on specific sites. When a poster violates the TOS, there is a procedure to follow for reporting the said violation to the service provider. Our investigators have used this procedure very effectively and have been directly responsible for having certain postings removed from message boards and in many cases we have been effective in removing posters from message boards, for violating the TOS. Almost all message boards will have an icon to report terms of service violations. What we have found to be effective is to report the TOS violations to the service provider and then we will generally follow up with a letter from our legal staff which documents the TOS violations and their effect. This entire process takes about ten days and is very effective. Message board bashing is not common to only U.S. listed companies. Stock bashing coupled with naked shorting has been a very common occurrence with companies listed on various exchanges in Taiwan, China, Singapore, and Hong Kong; and have had a much more devastating effect than in the U.S. Some basic rules of thumb in dealing with negative posters is to never directly interact with them. They are not your friends. They are not your pen pals. Generally they are posting with the intent of hurting the company and ultimately hurting your investment. Never engage in e-mail communication with the bashers and never ever base an investment decision on information posted on public message boards. This exclusive report has been prepared by Asiavest investigators: Andy Chen (Taipei), Joyce Lu (Beijing) and Frank Taylor (Los Angeles). angelfire.com

To: StockDung who wrote (84927)	7/28/2003 3:27:19 PM
From: scion	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 122087

By: OBSERVER22 28 Jul 2003, 03:23 PM EDT Msg. 119059 of 119059 (This msg. is a reply to 119051 by stockstinky.) Jump to msg. # OT:Whats the matter Mark? "Imply"....there is nothing implied. What you see is what it is! In fact your alias is right up there among the cream of the crop. But I really would like to thank you, and some on SI for the great advertising. In fact if it wasn't for you outing me to a few innocent posters and some criminal types, this would have never been possible. What I like is that you outed me after you knew that I was having discussions with "friends" in New York. Ya, that was a real nice move Mark! Ya, Tony really appreciated your help. Thanks. It is nice that you and Gumby have become such good friends. In fact did you tell him that it was you that outed him to me? Did you tell him you apologized for saying what you said about his wife? In fact I had no idea who gumby was until you gave me his name. It was you that gave me his name after you said you had called and threatened "the little creep". Ah but Gumby is forgiving and that is nice. I guess it makes you feel good to hammer CIO everyday, and call it a scam, interestingly this happend right after you were flatly turned down by John Brenna when you asked for a job as a consultant to CIO. Have you told people about that? Have you told people how you only started calling CIO a scam, after your meeting with Brenna (and were told to take a fcuking hike)? Have you told people how you were a member of the AE web site? Have you told the nice folks how you useed to talk with AE and his wife and how you had copies of all of his chat logs? Have you also outed Kay and all those other nice people that used to trust you and help you do all that "research"? What about those mafia types that you were helping by giving them your"short calls"? Did they ever pay you as promised? How is our-street (how did you know the article was coming out before you emailed it to me last week?)? Hey does Dave Johnston still call you or are you guys on the outs? He was anonther of your buds that you turned on, right? Well thanks again for the outing and the advertising! Hey have you talked with Matt lately, or Bob H.,? Do they know you were playing them both against each other? LOL Later and thanks again! ragingbull.lycos.com