To: zonder who wrote (2266 ) 7/30/2003 10:15:56 AM From: Solon Respond to of 7839 "You are insane. The point is not "humankind". The point is the opinion of some pope from 1800s - that the Church (and its popes) was wrong about the "witches", " My God you are an ignorant little thing! Pope Leo had nothing to do with the "witches"--no more than you did. That was another place and another time. It has NOTHING to do with our discussion! Are you too dense to get out of that, or is it just that you have no argument? Calling me "insane" does not advance your case. Any mental midget can call a name when they are swallowing too much water."You may feel threatened by me, but that's no evidence that I actually intend to harm you " Nor is it evidence you do NOT. Unless you are an idiot, one may assume a rational basis to your feelings. If, in addition, you can cite leters from me of hate and opprobrium it just MIGHT serve to bolster your assertions!"he conjures the Italian Grand Commander, Timoteo Riboli, 33, the intimate friend of Garibaldi, to do all in his power, in order to unite Italian Masonry against the Vatican " ___________________________"A. Pike, as the Grand Commander of the Mother Supreme Council of the World (Charleston, South Carolina) lost no opportunity in his letters to excite the anti-clerical spirit of his colleagues. In a long letter of 28 December, 1886, for instance, he conjures the Italian Grand Commander, Timoteo Riboli, 33, the intimate friend of Garibaldi, to do all in his power, in order to unite Italian Masonry against the Vatican. He writes:" "The Papacy . . . has been for a thousand years the torturer and curse of Humanity, the most shameless imposture, in its pretence to spiritual power of all ages. With its robes wet and reeking with the blood of half a million of human beings, with the grateful odour of roasted human flesh always in its nostrils, it is exulting over the prospect of renewed dominion. It has sent all over the world its anathemas against Constitutional government and the right of men to freedom of thought and conscience. Again, "In presence of this spiritual 'Cobra di capello', this deadly, treacherous, murderous enemy, the most formidable power in the world, the unity of Italian Masonry is of absolute and supreme necessity; and to this paramount and omnipotent necessity all minor considerations ought to yield; dissensions and disunion, in presence of this enemy of the human race are criminal". "There must be no unyielding, uncompromising insistence upon particular opinions, theories, prejudices, professions: but, on the contrary, mutual concessions and harmonious co-operation". "The Freemasonry of the world will rejoice to see accomplished and consummated the Unity of the Italian Freemasonry"." __________________ "SIMILARLY, that doesn't mean scientists are conspiring to destroy the Catholic church. I hope you would agree. " Congratulations! You combine a fallacy with a mis-statement and you bring in "ignoratio elenchi! " once again! You surely are a SLOOOOOOW learner! Whether or not you or I or Bubba are trying to destroy the church is irrelevent to our discussion. Just because you are not eating snails for breakfast does not mean my television set is off. Give your petite head a shake, Girl. You are giving me too many chuckles! :-) You are certainly revealing how much you have "studied", eh!!? Didn't I tell you what would happen?!