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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (108909)	7/30/2003 4:08:50 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<First, the quotes are from a few extreme Moledet ministers, who do not have power and everybody knows it.> Your initial post was that "nobody, nobody at all" was saying it. At all. Reminds me of Rumsfeld, saying, "we know, we know exactly where the WMD are." This is your fall-back position, to admit that, in fact, several somebodies are talking about it? And have been talking about it, for a long time? And that "somebody" includes a government minister, part of the ruling coalition? You are right, Sharon is a pragmatist. So, he isn't talking about expelling millions of non-Jews, and stripping the rest of any rights as Israeli citizens. He'd like to, but it's not "pragmatic", not "realistic", for him to talk about it. At the moment, anyway. Public opinion, in Israel and the U.S., isn't ready for that. Yet. But he is the Prime Minister, and he could expel from the government, or silence, the ministers who do call for the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. He doesn't. And what does that say? <why don't we discuss Hamas and Hizbullah's frank endorsement of genocide? Oh, yes, I forgot, extreme statements are only outrageous from Israelis> Again, your debate technique is to: 1. change the subject. 2. throw mud, (by using emotion-laden words like genocide) 3. create a straw-man. (I agree totally with you, and always have, that Palestinians calling for the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Israel, must stop. And, further, I've agreed with you, that the "right of return" of Palestinians to pre-1967 Israel, is a veiled call for ethnic cleansing of Jews.)