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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: MSI who wrote (1600)	7/31/2003 10:20:05 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

Quote from "Foreign Affairs", the journal published by the Council on Foreign Relations There is going to be no steady progress in civilization or self-government among the more backward peoples until some kind of international system is created which will put an end to the diplomatic struggles incident to the attempt of every nation to make itself secure....The real problem today is that of world government. Phillip Kerr (CFR), December 1922 Foreign Affairs There is no indication that American public opinion, for example, would approve the establishment of a super state, or permit American membership in it. In other words, time - a long time - will be needed before world government is politically feasible...This time element might seemingly be shortened so far as American opinion is concerned by an active propaganda campaign in this country.... Allen W. Dulles, 1946 Foreign Policy Association There is no longer a question of whether or not there will be world government by the year 2,000. As I see it, the questions we should be addressing to ourselves are: how it will come into being - by cataclysm, drift, more or less rational design - and whether it will be totalitarian, benignly elitist, or participatory....the probabilities being in that order. Saul H. Mendlovitz, 1975 director World Order Models Project * * * * I know they are behind schedule in their plans for the New World Order. It makes perfect sense that they would get impatient and use cataclysm as the writer suggested to speed things up. And it did speed things up immensely. It's too convenient to be dismissed as random terrorism. Fake terror. free.freespeech.org

To: MSI who wrote (1600)	7/31/2003 11:55:14 PM
From: Don Earl	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

MSI, <<<Machiavelli declared that "the ends justifies the means", ie if its for some self-decided greater good if doesn't matter who you kill or torture. He said the ruling elite know best, must keep the masses in the dark, and at times must "enter into evil" to accomplish their goals.>>> It's been quite a few years since I read "The Prince", which to the best of my knowledge was Machiavelli's only political work. I honestly don't recall anything along those lines in the translation I read. My memory isn't perfect and it's also possible parts didn't sink in, but in general, the work is practical advice on what it takes to be a successful monarch in 15th century Europe. Not necessarily sweetness and light by any stretch of the imagination, but very definitely not over the edge psychotic along the lines of Bush or Hitler. It's major flaw as far as I could ever figure is who would want to follow the political strategy of someone giving the advice from a prison cell. I'd just about have to read it again to see if I could come with the quotes you found, but I think in the context it was written, it'd be pretty hard to justify the actions of the Bush Cartel using Machiavelli as a benchmark.