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To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (109400)	8/2/2003 2:04:13 AM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

>>Hate is a strong and inaccurate discription.Those you profile as " the left ", merely believe he has lied...blah, blah, blah...<< Baloney. Hate is exactly the right word. Bush is hated by the leftists right here on this board. There is no other word for it. They merely believe he has lied in a pig's eye. That kind of characterization suggests an air of genteel fairness or even-handedness that flat simply does not exist, except in their own selective and mendacious self-image of themselves. And that includes you, my friend. You're sanctifying your own bullshit. You are denying the one thing that is most obvious on your whole side of the debate, and pretending the real truth is otherwise.

To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (109400)	8/3/2003 11:04:25 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

No sense in providing answers to those who refuse to accept them as alternatives anyway, Oh BS... you just don't have any better ideas that are even remotely viable. Or you're such ideological cowards that we don't have the guts to expose them to the intellectual marketplace of ideas. Those you profile as " the left ", merely believe he has lied to the American people They didn't seem to give a rat's @ss when Clinton lied to them.. No.. there's more than just "a lie" involved here... You despise Bush because he seems to deal with the world from the realistic perspective of asserting and applying US power, while all of you take your clues from the Euro-trash elites who hate how Bush is pssing in their pond. Hawk says there is no comparison,but avoids the reality of the similarities when engaged in a guerrilla war - in another country - far from America's shores.* Funny, I seem to recall it was the man who said "ask not what your country can do for you... etc", who ramped up the US presence in Vietnam, and then the instigator of the "great society" welfare state, who plunged us in, but wouldn't let the US military fight that war in a manner that would permit victory, or at least stability... And then it was left to a conservative to apply appropriate power and force to coerce the N. Vietnamese to the negotiating table. You all live in the "la-la" land of "selective containment", economic sanctions, and unenforced UN resolutions... You generally despise military soldiers until you suddenly find it necessary to send them on some peace-keeping mission.. But then only with the most minimal of resources, and under the strictest of "rules of engagement".. Lots, but that should be enough to get Bush's sorry ass out of the position that he neither deserved nor legitimately won in a tradition electoral process come 2004. I still say a close election should first be decided upon the basis of whether a candidate has won their own home state... I figure if a candidate can't win his home state, then his own people know something that the nation needs to know... Hawk