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To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (24111)	8/2/2003 1:36:25 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 89467

I think I did see that. You know the Turks still deny it happened- which probably accounts for some of the silence surrounding the events. Here's an interesting article by someone who did not like the movie: turkfilm.net Interesting reviews of the movie: boxoff.com

To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (24111)	8/2/2003 4:22:49 PM
From: lurqer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Turkish genocide of the Armenians Many don't realize what a historical watershed the First World War was. That Great War was the end of European empires - Habsburg, Hohenzollern and Romanov. This "war to end wars" also ended the Ottoman Empire that had endured since the fall of Byzantium in the mid-1400s. Unfortunately, history does not move so rapidly. The Russian empire reconstituted itself as the Soviet Union, and held sway over Eastern Europe until the last decade of the twentieth century. Part of the Habsberg Empire was incorporated into a Serbian Empire called Yugoslavia, that also lasted until the 1990s. The Ottoman Empire was shorn of most of its Arabic lands, but under Ataturk a rump empire was established. Interestingly, Ataturk relied on the help of his Islamic "cousins" the Kurds to defeat the Allied (British, French, Greek and Armenian) forces. Only afterwards did he turn on the Kurds. See shr.aaas.org How to judge the Turk's treatment of minority populations? By Middle Eastern standards, they vary from good to typical. By European standards, they are considered quite harsh. Since the treasured EU membership is impossible to obtain while continuing to repress it's minorities, Turkey has recently started "change it's attitude". This has led to some hope by both the Kurds and the Cypriots. But many doubt that the "leopard can change its spots". Modern communication, transportation and education are simply incompatible with a stable subject empire. Modern Turkey is a conundrum. Its future is not clear. Will Islam reassert its dominance? Will the army again size power? Will Turkey decide to become more liberal and "European"? If it does, what will the Kurds (et al) do? While I don't know the answers to these questions, my guess is that given the building pressures within Turkey, the answers will be available before the centennial anniversary of the Armenian genocide. JMO lurqer