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To: quehubo who wrote (109596)8/3/2003 11:02:05 AM
From: Noel de Leon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
"We are paying a very high price for oil, higher than most everyone else in the world."

I didn't realize that you lived in Denmark. Here the price of gasoline has just gone down to $4 per gallon. In the US the price is around $1.80 or so.



To: quehubo who wrote (109596)8/4/2003 1:11:30 AM
From: Bilow  Respond to of 281500
 
Hi quehubo; Re: "Let me enlighten you then and save you from further anguished posts based on your misunderstanding of the historical facts and present reality."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! LOL!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Your post is shot through with historical misconceptions and joke reasoning. You haven't even bothered to provide any links so it's pretty obvious that you didn't bother to fact check your opinions.

Re: "Our sons and daughters are making the ultimate sacrifice in order to ensure oil flow is stable from the Persian Gulf."

What a joke. Oil flow out of the Middle East was both higher and more evenly balanced before our sons and daughters were sent to fight over there. Now the Neoconservative geniuses are hinting that they next want to invade Saudi Arabia, LOL. For example, see:

Hawkmoon,
So let me ask you Bilow... If it's proven that there was Saudi complicity in 9/11, and they fail to make sufficient "amends" for it, should Bush overthrow the Saudis? #reply-19173625

Sure, since the plan to pump oil out of Iraq failed, let's go try it again, with the same set of fools at the tiller, in an even larger oil producer.

Re: "What price did we pay after Saddam invaded Iran? Neither supplier has recovered yet."

This is a spherical joke. When Saddam got in trouble invading Iran we chose to support Saddam, not Iran. And the fact that Iraq has not recovered is due to sanctions that we enforced, and now is due to a war that we started. Also, when you wrote your point, maybe you forgot about these little incidents:

U.S. NAVY CRISIS RESPONSES, 1980s
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19 October, the destruction of an Iranian oil drilling platform; 14 April 1988, FFG-58 Roberts struck a mine; 18 April, retaliation operations against two Iranian oil platforms led to a day-long naval battle in which many Iranian naval units were damaged or sunk;
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fas.org

Your comment is a typical example of how a little knowledge can convince someone of a version of reality that simply is not backed up by the history books. Yes it's true that Iranian oil production is not back up to its peak Shah levels, but to blame this on Saddam / Iraq is silly. That war ended 14 years ago. And Iranian oil production was falling due to instability in Iran and deliberate economic policy of the new Iranian government well before the war started with Iraq in September of 1980.

The Islamic revolutionaries in Iran deliberately cut oil production, and it was based on their fuzz-ball economic theories: "This bias was reflected in a series of official proclamations ... reversing the Shah's course of modernization and secularization ... limiting oil production to domestic economic need"
rferl.org

Also see:
Following the quadrupling of oil prices in the last quarter of 1973, prices remained relatively stable from 1975 to 1978. During this period, Mohammad Reza Shah encouraged a high level of oil production and increased spending on imported goods and services and on military and economic aid to a small number of Iran's allies. Khomeini's government shifted the emphasis by decreeing a policy of oil conservation, with production reduced to a level sufficient to do no more than meet foreign exchange needs.
countrystudies.us

Stuff that went on in Iran before the attack by Iraq:

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The appointment of a government dominated by the military brought about some short-lived abatement in the strike fever, and oil production improved.
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Khomeini declared Bakhtiar's government illegal. Bazargan, in Khomeini's name, persuaded the oil workers to pump enough oil to ease domestic hardship, however, and some normalcy returned to the bazaar in the wake of Bakhtiar's appointment. But strikes in both the public and the private sector and large-scale demonstrations against the government continued. When, on January 29, 1979, Khomeini called for a street "referendum" on the monarchy and the Bakhtiar government, there was a massive turnout.
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geocities.com

Iran was a revolutionary mess with executions and government by terror. Yes Iraq did target their oil production, but even if they hadn't, production would have still been severely constrained by the fact that so many of the professional oil workers left the country. And certainly 14 years was enough time to recover Iranian oil production, if they had wanted to do so.

Re: "After he invaded Kuwait?"

Sorry, but I don't have the slightest idea what your point is. I'm guessing that there's some reasoning here that is very obvious to you, LOL.

Re: "Of course you would have been happy to continue paying Saddam enabling him to continue to be able to strike back at his enemies again one day through his repeated acts of aggression."

Ah yes. Bilow, incarnate as the quintessential Saddam Hussein supporter, lover even. Great arguing premise, LOL.

-- Carl