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To: Neocon who wrote (109939)	8/4/2003 5:10:10 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Put that way, it's a list of accomplishments to be proud of.

To: Neocon who wrote (109939)	8/4/2003 5:12:41 PM
From: Graystone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Bush didn't say it did he ? or WHY ARE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM AND THE UNITED STATES DYING IN IRAQ ? That is a good review of what you believe Mr. Bush has accomplished. It is unfortunate that Mr. Bush never did share your convictions with America before the war. If you look at the case that was made for war in both the United States and the United Kingdom, it was presented differently. Rather than stress the prerogatives and rights of a great power seeking strength, Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair built a case for war based on false intelligence and fear. The people of the United States and the United Kingdom were attacked quite openly by <<those who seek to master the minds and souls of others>>. Mr. Bush botched US relations with the UN and NATO, Mr Blair botched the UK relationships as well. The botched international diplomacy provides one insight into the possible answers to my question. You seem certain that the international community is arriving soon, I am not convinced.

To: Neocon who wrote (109939)	8/4/2003 7:50:56 PM
From: Chas.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

well stated..... add these remarks from a Bush speech at West Point and you have it......... The United States possesses unprecedented— and unequaled—strength and influence in the world. Sustained by faith in the principles of liberty, and the value of a free society, this position comes with unparalleled responsibilities, obligations, and opportunity. The great strength of this nation must be used to promote a balance of power that favors freedom. For most of the twentieth century, the world was divided by a great struggle over ideas: destructive totalitarian visions versus freedom and equality. That great struggle is over. The militant visions of class, nation, and race which promised utopia and delivered misery have been defeated and discredited. America is now threatened less by conquering states than we are by failing ones. We are menaced less by fleets and armies than by catastrophic technologies in the hands of the embittered few.We must defeat these threats to our Nation, allies, and friends. This is also a time of opportunity for America. We will work to translate this moment of influence into decades of peace, prosperity, and liberty. The U.S. national security strategy will be based on a distinctly American internationalism that reflects the union of our values and our national interests. The aim of this strategy is to help make the world not just safer but better. Our goals on the path to progress are clear: political and economic freedom, peaceful relations with other states, and respect for human dignity. And this path is not America’s alone. It is open to all. To achieve these goals, the United States will: champion aspirations for human dignity; strengthen alliances to defeat global terrorism and work to prevent attacks against us and our friends; work with others to defuse regional conflicts; prevent our enemies from threatening us, our allies, and our friends, with weapons of mass destruction; ignite a new era of global economic growth through free markets and free trade; expand the circle of development by opening societies and building the infrastructure of democracy; develop agendas for cooperative action with other main centers of global power; and transform America’s national security institutions to meet the challenges and opportunities of the twenty-first century.

To: Neocon who wrote (109939)	8/8/2003 3:29:06 AM
From: Graystone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

middling or neutralizing I continue to take this information under advisement, this is necessary. <<We are much stronger than we were a year ago, because we have acted as a great power should in pursuing its interests. I do not think the intelligence was false, and certainly I do not think it was known to be false. The French newspapers are eager to repair relations.>> This is good stuff. So you think President Bush knew the intelligence was good because he relies on the CIA, this is why the White House was quick to point out the culprit that allowed the forgeries to be presented at the taxpayers bank for immediate redemption. I like that, that sounds reasonable. Those guys at the CIA are a bunch of slackers, I am beginning to doubt that they even read, let alone read intelligently. I have to tell you Neocon I am coming around. heheheh

To: Neocon who wrote (109939)	8/8/2003 4:02:15 AM
From: Graystone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

middling or <<neutralized Iraq>> This is the first accomplishment on the list, a neutralized Iraq. I am taking this information under advisement. I think I will seek some input from CNN, I see a general using the words "conflict zone", I would dock that guys pay, he isn't in any danger. PS - I shouldn't have changed channels back to CTV. Apparently the North Koreans are selling the Iranians long range missiles, probably duds the Koreans couldn't get to work, those Iranians should be more cautious.