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To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (24755)8/8/2003 6:29:23 PM
From: elpolvo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Can anyone name one good thing Bush has done for this country?

he's taking the whole month of august off.



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (24755)8/8/2003 6:33:30 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
there is only one positive thing I know of that Bush and repubs are responsible for.... the fight against trial lawyers, and the drive to cap malpractice "pain and suffering" limits. It is a touchy issue because of course if YOU are the recipient of malpractice, you want to be able to sue. But the current system is driving away doctors and putting some companies out of business who are only related to such claims by way of deep pockets. At least the goal seems noble.

Other than that, there are the "terror alerts" :-(



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (24755)8/8/2003 6:46:44 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Respond to of 89467
 
A couple of posts from wage/slave journal
wage-slave.org
Posted by ImpeachBush @ 07/21/2003 02:13 PM EST

I’m sure the people of Iraq are completely joyful of how we’ve freed them from Saddam. Of course, we’ve also freed them from water, food, electricity, jobs and communications. Hey, we even freed a few thousand of them from their measly lives. And I just know they’ll enjoy the experience of democracy we’re going to force on them. Who cares if that’s not the type of government they want? They’ll take it and they’ll love it, damn it!!

They certainly have a lovely role model after which to pattern that government. Based on the example they see in us, their new democratic leaders will use lies and exaggerations, deceit in all it’s forms, to justify preemptive attacks against countries that are no threat, in violation of domestic and international laws and world opinion. They’ll brand anyone who opposes them as unpatriotic traitors and will throw many of them in jail with no charges, no access to legal counsel and no notification of family as to their whereabouts. They’ll systematically rob the coffers of the poor and middle class to make the obscenely wealthy even more obscene. They’ll place the short-term desires of business and industry executives above the long-term needs of workers, the general populace and the environment. They’ll deny any responsibility for social services, education and health care and turn them over either to religious fanatics or corporations for which profit is the most important, if not only, consideration.

Yep, they’re sure gonna love the democratic government we force down their throats, even if it does look eerily similar to what we “freed” them of.

Meanwhile, we at home can rest easier in our new feeling of safety. I mean, they love this new democracy, right? It’s not like we’re over there pissing off tens or hundreds of thousands of people who will now join terrorist groups because they have nothing else left to lose, something they would never have done back when they had homes, jobs and food. Gee, I know I feel a whole lot safer.

Posted by Tom S. @ 07/21/2003 04:31 PM EST

There are no true liberals. A liberal anymore is someone who disagrees with the unelected dipshit in the White House. Republicans love the "L" word so much because they can no longer use the "N" word. For them, the "L" word is a fine replacement. Where was Bush on 9/11? He was running around like a scared rat, leaving the rest of the country to fend for itself. Speaks volumes.



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (24755)8/8/2003 7:03:28 PM
From: Crimson Ghost  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
But They Know More Than We Do

by John J. Dwyer

        

"But the President knows more than we do and we must trust his wisdom about the war in Iraq. Plus, this President is a born-again believer!"

Have you heard that refrain in recent months, especially those of you in the conservative evangelical Christian community to which I belong? Those of us in that community need to confront an unsettling question: Have we been misled? Misled by the cheerleading, ratings- and advertiser-conscious mainstream media, by warmongering conservative and "Christian" talk radio programs – and by our fellow conservative and Christian, George W. Bush.

Too bad our pulpits have not blazed with a holy, articulate, prophetic fire on this, one of the great issues of our generation – and, rest assured, our children’s generation. Nonetheless, we as individual Christians have a responsibility to be "wise as serpents and harmless as doves" regardless of the shortcomings of our ecclesiastical leadership. Wisdom includes knowing our history, that by God’s grace we might craft a better future. And our history tells us that American presidents have often deceived, dissembled, and lied in order to drag their people into wars they would not have fought had they known the facts.

The current one and his lieutenants have done so with such frequency it is hard to keep track of their errors. Syndicated conservative columnist Eric Margolis lists a few: the administration’s claiming Iraq had "drones of death," mobile germ laboratories, a stash of Scud missiles, a pipeline to al-Qaida and "poison camps," chemical munitions bunkers, smallpox or anthrax to unleash on America – and that it attempted to purchase uranium from Niger in order to develop its secret nuclear program.

The President himself promised on the eve of war that the Iraqi "regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

Upon such falsehoods were we, the people of America, persuaded to support the sacrifice of our young people’s blood, our nation’s treasure, and the slaughter of uncounted Iraqi soldiers and civilians.

But it is an old habit, as predictable as the next July heat wave in Texas. Whether it was Franklin D. Roosevelt engineering a brutal program of provocation against Japan in order to get at Hitler and the Nazis; Lyndon Johnson contriving his Gulf of Tonkin incident to get at the North Vietnamese; or Bill Clinton proclaiming ethnic genocide and mass graves in Serbia to get Monica Lewinsky off the front page – when a United States president decides he wants a war, he usually gets one.

Thomas Fleming’s devastating new blockbuster The Illusion of Victory, America in World War I, presents a (previous) textbook case of how a devout, well-intentioned, Southern president can, with enough time and resources, drag his trusting people into just about anything.

How did President Woodrow Wilson and his minions spur a prosperous, once-noninterventionist American public into supporting America’s plunge into the Europeans’ Great War? By sometimes speaking, persuasively, and sometimes not speaking, withholding crucial information.

To begin with, they fostered the image of America as a peace-loving neutral. Yet while the U.S. leadership pilloried the Germans for creating a maritime war zone around Britain, it scarcely protested the much more sinister British food blockade of Germany. Perhaps this was because the titans of American industry were reaping a financial bonanza with their colossal sales of weapons and munitions to Allied belligerents Britain, France, and Russia. These banks and corporations assayed their payday could grow even richer if America itself were in the war. So declared one prominent member of the New York Stock Exchange to his customers. He wrote them, "The popular view is that stocks would have a quick clear sharp reaction immediately on the outbreak of hostilities. They then would enjoy an old fashioned bull market such as followed the outbreak of war with Spain in 1898."

Wilson & Co. promoted tales of German atrocities in Belgium, where the barbarous "Huns" supposedly hacked off the hands of young men, the body parts of young women, and raped the female population en masse. Famed attorney Clarence Darrow, among others, conducted independent research and found these claims false.

They propagated stories of German U-boat submarines committing mass murder in the sinking of British ocean liners such as the Falaba and the Lusitania. Censored from these reports were facts such as the Germans running full-page ads in New York City newspapers beseeching Americans against boarding such ships, because they were steaming into a war zone. War zone or not, why were passenger ships a danger to the Germans? Because the cargo was not all human. It was also, in the case of the Lusitania, over four million rifle cartridges and 1,250 cases of shrapnel shells – destined for use against German soldiers. The British government knew this, but the passengers did not – including the 128 Americans who died.

They cried how the barbarity of these incidents was heightened by the Germans breaking their word not to resume unrestricted submarine warfare. Yet Wilson and his subordinates virtually ignored the criminal continuation of the British naval blockade of the entire German nation. How vicious was that blockade? Esteemed U.S. Senator Robert La Follette of Wisconsin denounced it as "starving to death the old men, the women and the children, the sick and the maimed of Germany."

Wilson concluded his thunderous herald to war before Congress with a ringing call to fight for the liberation of the world’s peoples, "the right of nations, great and small . . . the world must be made safe for democracy."

His admonitions fell somewhat short of consistency, since at that moment, indigenous peoples across the globe were keeling under the burden of British "democracy," a democracy elected by the Maxim gun and its 20th century descendants, and in no wise intended for millions of Irish, millions more Egyptians, tens of millions of Indians, even millions of Britain’s own citizens.

In the end, this armada of falsehood garnered Woodrow Wilson nearly everything he pushed, bullied, and intimidated to get – and almost nothing he hoped would come from it. America proved the winning balance against Germany, but we lost over 100,000 men killed and hundreds of thousands more wounded and maimed, and the vice grips of central government control twisted tighter on our country. Wilson’s misguided utopian notions crashed to earth with the U.S. Senate’s rejection of his proposed League of Nations. Broken in spirit, a stroke mentally and physically incapacitated him for much of the rest of his term in office. Bitterness poisoned his few remaining years of life. And we now know that the slaughter and hatred of World War I led straight to World War II, the worst calamity in history.

Indeed, George W. Bush and his lieutenants, like other administrations before them, do know more than we – and that renders them all the more culpable for the consequences they have engineered for us and our children.

August 8, 2003

John J. Dwyer (send him mail) is chairman of history at Coram Deo Academy near Dallas, Texas. He is author of the historical novels Stonewall and Robert E. Lee, and the upcoming historical narrative The War Between the States, America’s Uncivil War. He also is the former editor and publisher of The Dallas/Fort Worth Heritage newspaper.