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To: Bilow who wrote (110680)	8/9/2003 2:32:31 AM
From: marcos	Respond to of 281500

Well i was thinking in the strict sense of the term, as that statement is usually made, since there was no entity called México before 1821, for three hundreds years before it had been called Nueva España .... as for the 'texians', they were from the slaver branch of the estadounidenses, no distinction is normally made, as each one originally crossed directly from the US to the mexicana province of Tejas There were lots of invasions before, yes .... Cortés, before him the azteca had invaded only two hundreds years previous, and had barely melded with the people of the Valle de México, to become the mexica .... as to how exactly they applied the term mexica, historians are still a little divided, it all became a little irrelevant once the europeans came, though ..... going back, before the azteca, there is archeological evidence that the people in residence in the 1320s were themselves descendants of invaders, and there is considerable sign of another people with a distinct civilization before that From about 1620, México began forming as an idea, in the minds of europeans born there, and with increasing numbers of mestizos .... quite parallel to what was happening in the colonies to the north, and somewhat advanced from them in time periods, but the idea was brutally repressed by a decaying spanish throne, more or less depending on the intelligence of the virrey du jour ..... it can be argued that México became something of a reality in 1812 when las Cortes gave the nominal [but not real] right of equality to those born in Nueva España, or even before when Hidalgo launched the whole independence movement in 1810, but the reality of the nation is usually regarded as beginning when Iturbide entered the city with the army of the three guarantees, septembre 1821 Can't keep up with all the posts, reading let alone responding .... lots of talk about the structure of discussion, man that does get tedious, but i suppose it is quite analogous to foreign affairs really, as long as threads and affairs are run by human beings, be they foreign or domesticated