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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (441152)	8/11/2003 11:46:52 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 769667

[Agree with Jews, that's kosher. Question Jews, that's forbidden -- even in a democracy. Criticize Jewish convention about the Holocaust, that's a "Nazi." There can be no debate about this.] Freedom stops when denial starts, by Dov Bing, New Zealand Herald, August 8, 2003 "In a democracy, academic freedom is a precious commodity. Protected by the 1989 Education Act, it cannot exist in New Zealand universities without matching responsibilities. Dr Thomas Fudge, in his article on Dr Hayward's Holocaust denial thesis, has fallen well short of academic responsibility, not only by incorrectly representing Hayward's thesis conclusions but by failing to distinguish between Holocaust revisionism and Holocaust denial. Revisionism is an honest endeavour undertaken by many academic historians. Each year there are thousands of new publications on Holocaust history. Many of these can be termed academic Holocaust revisionism. Holocaust denial is not history at all. Although Holocaust deniers may often deceptively refer to themselves as revisionists, they cannot be regarded as professional academic historians. Finding against David Irving in his unsuccessful suit for libel against historian Deborah Lipstadt (April 2000), Mr Justice Gray provides a clear and compelling definition of Holocaust denial. In his report on the Hayward thesis, undertaken for the University of Canterbury in 2000, Sir Ian Barker also concludes that Holocaust deniers are polemicists with an antipathy to the status of the Holocaust as a unique and defining phenomenon of the modern era. Many are anti-Semites with links to racist and extremist politics, observes the Barker report. According to Winston Smith, leader of the National Socialist White Peoples Party - formerly known as the American Nazi Party - the real purpose of Holocaust revisionism (or denial) is to make National Socialism an acceptable alternative again. If they can make people believe that the main features of the Holocaust are based on Allied war propaganda, the Nazis can rise again. Deniers operate on the fringes of society and have been trying for many years to gain a foothold in universities to make themselves respectable. Canterbury University is the only Western university that has awarded an MA to a Holocaust denial thesis. In defending Joel Hayward, Dr Fudge prefers to ignore the extent to which careful, recent definitions of Holocaust denial apply to Hayward's MA thesis, the flawed methodology referred to in the Barker report, and Hayward's failure to consider the dangerous implications of Holocaust denial's pseudo-academic facade, as noted in the Barker Report. If Holocaust denial has demonstrated anything, it is the fragility of memory, reason and history. Deniers try to project the appearance of being committed to the values they, in truth, adamantly oppose - reason, critical rules of evidence and historical distinction."

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (441152)	8/11/2003 11:51:58 AM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

If only we had a president like General Wesley Clark... tallahassee.com <<...He's whip-smart, silver-haired handsome, articulate and a retired general. He sounds like an Arkansas good-ol'-boy, but was first in his West Point class and a Rhodes scholar at Oxford University. He saw combat in Vietnam, commanded NATO forces and fared well toe-to-toe with Tim Russert of NBC's "Meet the Press," perhaps the ultimate test of candidate battle-worthiness. He is potential presidential candidate Wesley Clark, the one Democrat who might strike fear in Republican hearts - if only he'd run...>>