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To: Sully- who wrote (25150)	8/11/2003 2:41:07 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

I got a chuckle out of that post you responded to.....it is the kind of breathlessly self important nonsense that is so typical of the pinhead mindset....

To: Sully- who wrote (25150)	8/11/2003 2:49:48 PM
From: Jim Willie CB	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

interesting Monday stock reversal from plus 55 to minus 11 something ugly this way comes the entire stock 15-20% rise was predicated on an expectation, an assumption, and stated promises of evermore Fed liquidity if only the investment community fully comprehended that tainted money is not real money and unless and until real profits flow, THIS HOUSE IS COMING DOWN I do not expect earnings to arrive if GenlMotors is any example, we are seeing the cancer spread their only profits are from mortgage finance operations the cancer spreads / jim

To: Sully- who wrote (25150)	8/11/2003 4:11:22 PM
From: Proud Deplorable	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

wstera I'm not complaining about you either. If you want to take controversial positions here regarding supporting the new Hitler then you are man enough to keep your opinions and your battles here without running to the admin to try to silence your opponents. People are worried these days because there is a new censorship afoot these days. People who disagree with Bush and his genocide are being silenced and reproached. I hope you now see the error of your ways and will abandon your heartless and cruel support of an administration that is murdering innocent people around the world. Someone has to stop these lunatics, don't you agree ? OH, did you read this from yesterday ? ----- Published on Sunday, August 10, 2003 by the lndependent/UK <FONT COLOR=RED>Family Shot Dead by Panicking US Troops Firing blindly during a power cut, soldiers kill a father and three children in their car</FONT> by Justin Huggler in Baghdad The abd al-Kerim family didn't have a chance. American soldiers opened fire on their car with no warning and at close quarters. <FONT COLOR=RED>They killed the father and three of the children, one of them only eight years old.</FONT> Now only the mother, Anwaar, and a 13-year-old daughter are alive to tell how the bullets tore through the windscreen and how they screamed for the Americans to stop. <FONT COLOR=RED>"We never did anything to the Americans and they just killed us," the heavily pregnant Ms abd al-Kerim said. "We were calling out to them 'Stop, stop, we are a family', but they kept on shooting."</FONT> Anwaar Kawaz, 36, weeps as her daughter Hadeel, 13, stands next to her at their home in Baghdad, Iraq on Sunday Aug. 10, 2003. On Aug. 8, Anwaar's husband and three of her children were killed by U.S. forces when soldiers opened fire on the family's car as they were trying to get back home before curfew. (AP Photo/Dario Lopez-Mills) The story of how Adel abd al-Kerim and three of his children were killed emerged yesterday, exactly 100 days after President George Bush declared the war in Iraq was over. <FONT COLOR=BLUE>In Washington yesterday, Mr Bush declared in a radio address: "Life is returning to normal for the Iraqi people ... All Americans can be proud of what our military and provisional authorities have achieved in Iraq."</FONT> But in this city Iraqi civilians still die needlessly almost every day at the hands of nervous, trigger-happy American soldiers. Doctors said the father and his two daughters would have survived if they had received treatment quicker. <FONT COLOR=RED>Instead, they were left to bleed to death because the Americans refused to allow anyone to take them to hospital.</FONT> It happened at 9.30 at night, an hour after sunset, but long before the start of the curfew at 11pm. The Americans had set up roadblocks in the Tunisia quarter of Baghdad, where the abd al-Kerims live. The family pulled up to the roadblock sensibly, slowly and carefully, so as not to alarm the Americans. But then pandemonium broke out. American soldiers were shooting in every direction. They just turned on the abd al-Kerims' car and sprayed it with bullets. You can see the holes in the front passenger window and in the rear window. You can see the blood of the dead all over the gray, imitation velvet seat covers. A terrible misunderstanding took place. The Americans thought they were under attack from Iraqi resistance forces, according to several Iraqi witnesses. These are the circumstances of most killings of Iraqi civilians: a US patrol comes under rocket-propelled grenade attack and the soldiers panic and fire randomly. This time there was no attack. Another car, driven by an Iraqi youth, Sa'ad al-Azawi, drove too fast up to another checkpoint further up the street. Al-Azawi and his two passengers did not hear an order to stop, as their stereo was turned up too loud. The US soldiers, thinking they were under attack, panicked and opened fire. In the darkness of one of Baghdad's frequent power cuts, other US soldiers on the street heard gunfire and thought they were under attack. They, too, reacted by opening fire, though they could not see what was going on. Soldiers manning look-out posts on a nearby building joined in, firing down the street in the dark. It was then that the abd al-Kerims drew up to the checkpoint. The panicking US soldiers turned on their car and shot the family to pieces. "It was anarchy," said Ali al-Issawi, who lives on the street and witnessed the whole thing. "The Americans were firing at each other commondreams.org ----------- <FONT SIZE=5><FONT COLOR=RED>BUSH IS ANOTHER HITLER, WHAT PART OF THIS DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ? </FONT>