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To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (25181)	8/11/2003 6:19:48 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Respond to of 89467

The way neo-cons misuse, overuse and abuse "traitor", the word will soon lose its meaning and impact. When the real traitors are condemned as such, will folks gasp or yawn? Ann Coulter's calling those who don't agree with her nimwit views Traitor. Fifty years ago, she'd have received electroshock therapy instead of money for writing such trash.

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (25181)	8/11/2003 7:06:03 PM
From: elpolvo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Important for neo-con opponents to learn to hate them as much or more as they hate us. no offense intended, but if you think about that statement for about 30 seconds... i'm sure you'll see it is flawed. <vbg>

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (25181)	8/11/2003 7:06:30 PM
From: laura_bush	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

<<Important for neo-con opponents to learn to hate them as much or more as they hate us.>> I don't see that happening. "Liberals" don't want to waste time and energy -- our lives themselves -- hating other people. We're not built that way. And Karl Rove knows it. That's definitely what needs to happen, though. The world needs love, but not laissez faire acceptance of neocon lunacy. [Edit: LOL. See elpolvo's post exactly @ same time as this one.] lb

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (25181)	8/11/2003 7:55:49 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 89467

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To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (25181)	8/11/2003 8:30:28 PM
From: lurqer	Respond to of 89467

to learn to hate I'm big on learning, but I'll have to take a pass on that one. Passionately vigorous in opposing them - you bet. But hatred blinds you to possibilities. Moreover, when an evil force causes its opposition to adopt its methods and procedures, evil has won. We didn't beat the Stalinists by becoming like them, much as McCarthy tried. Surely, we'll be called traitors - it's Nazi SOP. I usually toss out Goering's quote rense.com that way I don't have to call them a Nazi. They've already labeled themselves. I understand your anger. Daily, people are being killed by these policies. So, are the people that support these policies, the functional equivalent of murderers? Is the fact that they are misguided or politically naïve, an excuse? Yeah, it would easy to hate your opposition. But to what effect? I think you have to ask yourself a couple of questions. How is this hatred going to affect me? Is it likely to lessen that which produced the hatred? Think I'll watch a little preseason football to "use up" my excess aggression.<g> JMO lurqer

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (25181)	8/12/2003 12:46:26 AM
From: Rarebird	Respond to of 89467

Life is holy and every moment is precious. I can't hate because I love love and I need to pursue my star further. I love too many things and get all bewildered and hung-up running from one falling star to another till I get dizzy. I spend all my time learning so maybe I have a right to teach. My aunt once said the world would never find peace until men fell at their women's feet and asked for forgiveness. The bottom of the world is Gold.

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (25181)	8/12/2003 1:13:19 AM
From: Karen Lawrence	Respond to of 89467

Germany won't send troops. Germany rules out troops to Iraq BERLIN: Germany has ruled out sending troops to Iraq to assist US-led forces in stabilizing the war-shattered country, government spokesman Thomas Steg said on Monday. "Our position is clear. The government is abiding by its stance not to engage militarily in Iraq," Steg told reporters, noting the government had not been formally asked for help by the United States. Steg was asked about the German position after Defence Minister Peter Struck said in a weekend newspaper interview he could envisage NATO assuming a role in post-war Iraq and said that German peacekeeping troops could join such a mission. Struck had said such participation would be contingent on a United Nations mandate and a formal request from the occupying powers for assistance, and described the issue of German participation as "theoretical". Steg did not comment on Germany's position on NATO joining the peacekeeping effort in Iraq at Monday's routine government news conference. Meanwhile the chairman of NATO's Military Committee, General Harald Kujat, called for the alliance to play a role in Iraq and said such an operation would be possible under a UN mandate, in an interview with Deutschland radio Berlin.