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To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (12265)	8/11/2003 7:38:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

oh yeah, agreed. The only area that I disagree with is that I don't think software as a whole is a mature industry. I think some applications like CRM etc. are mature and for those companies that produce those mature apps (like Oracle) if they want to setup shop and create the entire farm in India, no problem with me. This is the natural ebb and flow of the technology business we have had for at least 30 years. I think I said earlier that IBM had offshore operations forever, Intel and all the big guys. But building products offshore with offshore operations is really not what these companies want, and I know it and so do the engineers being replaced. What they want is, access to the new ideas, and the cutting edge technology that silicon valley and other tech hubs in the US are delving into. Companies like intel with these L1s wants to find out about the state of the art manufacturing automation that some startup is working on, or something coming out of the Lawrence Livermore Lab, or Darpa. They want to "get their feet wet" with this cutting edge stuff here. They want to pay a high salary to a US worker for this state of the art stuff for a brief moment. THEN, they want to move the skill offshore immediately. That is the plan. They don't want to invent anything offshore. They want to do that here, because this place is the best for that. And they have a tool with which to execute this offshore of cutting edge tech vision with these visas. All I want is to go back to the way it was in the early 90s before these visas existed. Back then we had a market which was about like today in terms of demand (or less). Companies could offshore cobol programmers then and some did. IBM, Tandem, DEC did a huge amt of work offshore. The new stuff coming out of Berkeley (unix and SQL) was done here. We didn't let an indian team come here for 6 mos to learn what Berkeley was up to and then send them home to build wealth there. Nobody is stopping intel or i2 or Oracle or anybody from taking something out of IIT, and building a company around it. IIT is supposed to be better than stanford or cal, so why not use it? There should be all kinds of manufacturing automation coming out of there right? Or, alternatively Oracle can just move to india if this restriction on L1 and H1-Bs is too restrictive, they always have that option.