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To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (111059)8/12/2003 3:42:31 AM
From: bela_ghoulashi  Respond to of 281500
 
And an elaboration, cited by den Beste himself:

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Steven Den Beste writes:

But he makes an even deeper mistake by assuming that this is even something which is susceptible to centralized decision and control. It's true that Washington can decide how to arm and use our military, and what treaties to negotiate and which to ratify. But most of the soft power he described is unconscious and undirected; it isn't a deliberate strategy, and as such it isn't really possible to change it. Hollywood will continue to make movies with the goal of making lots of money, without little consideration of indirect political effects.

I suspect that he's just misspeaking here, because there certainly is a way to curb our soft power: through government regulation. It's nearly impossible for the government to force its people to become a dominant culture in the world, but it's very easy to keep them from doing it. Saddam Hussein demonstrated an effective way to do it. The entire reason why Steve is against certain treaties like the ICC, Kyoto, and the one which would remove Freedom of Speech is because they would do this.

It's easy to stop the exportation of culture -- destroy the culture. Make the shooting or marketing of movies illegal and punishable by the execution of your entire family. This is certainly quite doable. We're just never going to do it.

Now, Steve makes this point -- that we're never going to cripple ourself in these ways -- but what he doesn't mention is one of the reasons why European attempts to get us to do this through peer pressure will fail: Europeans aren't our peers. I don't think that Europeans really understand just how little the average American cares about Europe. Most Americans have no idea which countries are which on a map of Europe (though I am dubious that Europeans would be very good at naming the states of the United States, despite many of our states having larger economies than many of their countries). Most Americans only speak English, and the most common second language is a South American Spanish dialect.

Occasionally Europeans notice that when we want a European in a movie, an English accent will do for just about any of them, and will generally pass off reasonably well. Europe just doesn't matter much to Americans. This shouldn't be surprising, as I've written before, Americans are largely the descendants of people who didn't want to be in Europe. All of their harping isn't going to bother us much because we're just not going to hear it. If you're really interested, you can watch the BBC in some places, and our public television stations often play British murder mysteries and comedies. That's about the extent of European press than you're going to find in America: if France and Belgium and Germany and Italy rant and rave about us being uncooperative with them, how will Americans find out about it? Oh, they'll probably see some snippet on the evening news about some ugly man with bad teeth saying stupid things which are generally angry at us, but that's hardly going to make a truck driver say, "Damn it, whoever that ugly guy with bad teeth is, he wants us to ratify Kyoto, so let's ratify the treaty".

The United States is a big place, and it's hard enough to pay attention to Californian politics and opinions when you're on the east coast, let alone worry about a bunch of people who weren't good enough for my grandparents. The Europeans can jabber all they want, but the Atlantic ocean is big and sound doesn't carry very well over it. Peer pressure is often quite effective, but it has to come from your peers. In America, our peers are mostly just other Americans.



To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (111059)8/12/2003 6:23:55 AM
From: GST  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
<we won't let other nations use negotiations and "cooperation" as a way of fucking us over.> Thanks for the post -- intellectually shallow and immature to be sure -- but it is fun to see the pretense of meaningful "analysis" of American power. The arrogance just drips from every sentence. "We did not mean to be so great that others would be forced to worship us, but what can we do, we are just so marvelous" (paraphrasing). We have guns. That is the source of our power in the world under Bush today. We once had a leading role, but you cannot have it both ways. And the way we chose was the wrong way.



To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (111059)8/12/2003 6:35:51 AM
From: Elsewhere  Respond to of 281500
 
Den Beste's chest-thumping continues to be funny.