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To: O'Hara who wrote (4876)	8/13/2003 10:39:10 PM
From: gregor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14396

shalom: I look back on 5 years on this thread and 5000 posts not to mention the countless private messages. In my first post and here it is .... My thanks to my friends on SI whom have made this possible. I love all of you; God is so good to all of us. I am here as your servant, I desire and want to serve you, to humble myself before you and God, and to lift you up just as Christ was lifted up on the cross. What more fitting a time to embark on a new beginning but holy week. When I think of the many hours and days all of you will spend here in ministry, and in education, and in service to God I tremble at the awesome miracles and deeds that we will all see our Lord accomplish. God bless everyone and while the harvest is plentiful the workers are few. Pray that God will send in day laborers, temps, part time, full time, 2 nd shift, and graveyard shift workers. In Christ...gregor I have no answer for you ...neither for myself. I know not why the Lord took my brother in law last fall...nor my father in the manner in which he did..both terrible deaths. I know not why my finances were reduced to rubble nor not why I have only had 3 days off from work in the past 4 years, working 50 to 70- hours per week just to scrape by. I meant what I said . I am here to be a servant to those that come here. 24 X 7 I am here as your servant , to pray for you and or your requests. I will be lowly of heart for you ...asking God for you what you will ask of ...obedient to my calling. Not puffing up myself...but puffing up Christ. Not even praying for myself but praying for you and others that come here..I do ask prayer for my family occassionally but I do not like to ask for prayer for myself openly here in this public forum. I do err I know and I am sure that I have done so against my better judgement and perfect will. My son ..a little younger than yours lives alone in DC, my older daughter flies all over the country in a small plane with her husband and my grandchildren, my younger daughter travels with her mother all over the place. Why have we been spared. We sin . WE fail God all the time . I am a sinner beyond my wildest expectations for this stage of my ministry...I fail myself and God daily. I tragically screw up the simplest assignments and have as much will power as a three year old in an icecream shop. Not to mention the sins of my family. My children. Heck my daughter broke my heart and left her husband for another man. My son is in a relationship with a young lady that is going nowhere. My sister hasn't been to church in years and her son is all screwed up both her sons. But God watches over us ...unlike your son ...will He ever fail to as He did you...I really do not know . It is not up to me. There is little enjoyment in my life . All I know is hard work. All I do is try to make some other people happy and especially those that I love ..all those here included. Just pay the bills and another day. Sometimes I feel the happiest moment in my life will be the day I die. But all this gibbering aside..I mean what I said on the first post I posted here. I am here to be a servant to those that come here....a lowly servant . I want no rewards or appreciation or commendations or money or anything for what I do here. I'll basically say or pray anything to God that you ask me to. If God gets ticked at me and wants to kill me ..fine...like I said the happiest day of my life. If you want me to say something like ..."dammit God ...why did You kill shaloms son...he deserves at least an answer and not the silent treatment You are so "famous" for giving" I will do it. Just give me the go ahead. As the head of this thread I believe that God should give me great lee way in the manner or style and great lattitude in the ways and times I can approach Him. If I am wrong, then I guess I will be the next dead one. To all...I do not wish that I should offend anyone ...Moses struck out at God in anger and was prohibited from entering the promise land....big deal...small penalty !! He still got to go there on the mount of transfiguration...and he didn't have to walk up the mountain, just fell out of the sky....IN Christ...gregor

To: O'Hara who wrote (4876)	8/14/2003 12:05:18 AM
From: calgal	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 14396

shalom, I will only tell you that God loves you, and loves your son still, and I will pray for you. It feels that there are no words for pain so deep, but there is comfort in what He has written. I received this e-mail this AM, and it was inspiring to see the faith of this man. God was always there and you can give your pain to Him. He went through losing His only son.......you are familiar with the "rest of the story...." By Paul Harvey Date: 5/26/2003 Here is a true story by Paul Harvey. Pass it to anyone who you think would find it interesting and inspiring. You will be surprised who this young man turned out to be. (Do not look at the bottom of this letter until you have read it fully.) Years ago a hardworking man took his family from New York State to Australia to take advantage of a work opportunity there. Part of this man's family was handsome young son who had aspirations of joining the circus as a trapeze artist or an actor. This young fellow, biding his time until a circus job or even one as a stagehand came along, worked at the local shipyards which bordered on the worse section of town. Walking home from work one evening this young man was attacked by five thugs who wanted to rob him. Instead of just giving up his money the young fellow resisted. However they bested him easily and proceeded to beat him to a pulp. They mashed his face with their boots, and kicked and beat his body brutally with clubs, leaving him for dead. When the police happened to find him lying in the road they assumed he was dead and called for the Morgue Wagon. On the way to the morgue a policeman heard him gasp for air, and they immediately took him to the emergency unit at the hospital. When he was placed on a gurney a nurse remarked to her horror, that his young man no longer had a face. Each eye socket was smashed, his skull, legs, and arms fractured, his nose literally hanging from his face, all is teeth were gone, and his jaw was almost completely torn from his skull. Although his life was spared he spent over year in the hospital. When he finally left his body may have healed but his face was disgusting to look at. He was no longer the handsome youth that everyone admired. When the young man started to look for work again he was turned down by everyone just on account of the way he looked. One potential employer suggested to him that he join the freak show at the circus as The Man Who Had No Face. And he did this for a while. He was still rejected by everyone and no one wanted to be seen in his company. He had thoughts of suicide. This went on for five years. One day he passed a church and sought some solace there. Entering the church he encountered a priest who had saw him sobbing while kneeling in a pew. The priest took pity on him and took him to the rectory where they talked at length. The priest was impressed with him to such a degree that he said that he would do everything possible for him that could be done to restore his dignity and life, if the young man would promise to be the best Catholic he could be, and trust in God's mercy to free him from his torturous life. The young man went to Mass and communion every day, and after thanking God for saving his life, asked God to only give him peace of mind and the grace to be the best man he could ever be in His eyes. The priest, through his personal contacts was able to secure the services of the best plastic surgeon in Australia. They would be no cost to the young man, as the doctor was the priest's best friend. The doctor too was so impressed by the young man, whose outlook now on life, even though he had experienced the worse was filled with good humor and love. The surgery was a miraculous success. All the best dental work was also done for him. The young man became everything he promised God he would be. He was also blessed with a wonderful, beautiful wife, and many children, and success in an industry which would have been the furthest thing from his mind as a career if not for the goodness of God and the love of the people who cared for him. This he acknowledges publicly. The young man was and is Mel Gibson. His life was the inspiration for his production of the movie "The Man Without A Face." He is to be admired by all of us as a God fearing man, a political conservative, and an example to all as a true man of courage. And to think I admired him before I knew any of this! He is quite a man! Paul Harvey BTW, this is quite a God!!

To: O'Hara who wrote (4876)	8/14/2003 12:38:00 AM
From: Kid Rock	Respond to of 14396

Shalom, my prayers are with you. KR

To: O'Hara who wrote (4876)	8/14/2003 5:01:02 AM
From: Shawn Donahue	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14396

Dear Shalom, I only recently found your "And the 7th angel sounded" thread and appreciate your sharing of God's Word...,especially concerning the false hope of the "rapture", that has so many good people fooled, and I hope that you continue to open their eyes before it is too late, because didn't God tell us in his Word that only those of us that hold out to the end will be saved?! As painful as it must be to share the loss that you must feel in losing your son last year to the first death, I for one was reached by your testimony, and thank you, in Jesus Christ name!!! I do not want to burden you with who I have lost and am currently going through for 3+ years, but I have said similar words about God in frustration and anguish, and the only thing that I keep coming back to in God's Word is that like Abraham,(and again in Matthew, etc.) we must love God more than our wife, son, daughter, etc...as we can see them again and spend eternity with them, IF we show God (who created us and gave us our children in the first place, etc.)that he can trust that we love him first, and then love those he created for us to be our families, friends, and neighbors! I will not quote scripture to you, as I have too much respect for your knowledge of God's Word! AS much as I miss not having a wife, and my children a mother, in addition to everything else we have lost, the only "rock" that God promised for this part of our lives, that we could completely trust, love and follow, is our Lord, Jesus Christ...what we hold onto outside of him, we will lose, but what we willingly give up, we will gain: and for eternity!:-) Your son sounds like he was a fine role model for other Christian men, and you no longer have to worry about him getting corrupted by others in this evil world, as you know he made it to our true eternal home! :-) But you and others that you love in this life(flesh)have not made it yet, and your work in helping others is probably not done! Now you may be able to better focus, without the worry, so that your son can again be with you, where there will be love without the frustrating and energy draining worry! You cannot lose your faith and see your son again, so please stop going down that road/path and head back on the one that leads to your son... Warm Regards and heartfelt thanks, Shawn