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To: lurqer who wrote (25358)8/13/2003 12:34:17 PM
From: Mannie  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
This has probably been posted before, but it is worth reading over and over.

The fall of the House of Saud.

foi.missouri.edu



To: lurqer who wrote (25358)8/13/2003 3:12:10 PM
From: Crimson Ghost  Respond to of 89467
 
Right on lurqer. Today's neo-con Zionist imperialists are a FAR CRY from traditional conservatives who venture not abroad monsters to destroy.



To: lurqer who wrote (25358)8/14/2003 12:17:06 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 89467
 
From: LindyBill

Good rundown on FOX from the Baltimore Sun. Love em or hate
em, they are gaining while the rest are losing.

Fair Game

CEO Roger Ailes won't apologize for Fox News' success or its tone. By his account, those alleging bias are the ones playing politics.

Radio & TV: David Folkenflik Originally published Aug 13, 2003

Roger Ailes sure looks happy these days. And why shouldn't he? The chairman and CEO of Fox News Channel has seen his creation soar in the ratings ahead of CNN and well past all other rivals. Since its birth seven years ago, Fox News has thrown both CNN and MSNBC into tumult with its successful pursuit of conservative viewers and others who feel alienated from the mainstream media.

And now, Ailes has found help in his continued quest for wider credibility.

Just last week, there was Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, the liberal Baltimore Democrat who leads the Congressional Black Caucus, standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Ailes at Morgan State University.

The two men were on the podium to announce the joint sponsorship of a pair of debates this fall for Democrats running in the presidential primaries, one of which would be held at the Baltimore campus. Cummings, never stingy with compliments, praised Ailes lavishly.

"He understands the importance of the debates and has a firm commitment to educating the public," Cummings said, putting on his best public-servant face. The congressman noted that Fox News "is the most watched cable news network and has the best opportunity to reach a wide audience."

At the lectern, Ailes resembled no one so much as Alfred Hitchcock, though he seemed far giddier than the famously dour director. He proclaimed his longstanding interest in civil rights issues, invoking his work decades ago as a television producer for several shows with Malcolm X and his interactions with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. "In the universe of the five cable news channels, Fox News now has more than 50 percent of the [audience]," he said proudly.

Ailes clinched the debate deal with a personal touch. He had first met with Cummings and other black lawmakers to address concerns that they were being shut out of Fox airwaves. Then, earlier this spring, he hammered out details of the debates at a black-tie dinner for White House correspondents. Cummings attended as Ailes' guest.

In his remarks, Ailes at once acknowledged and dismissed the central concern hovering over the event - the collaboration of liberals with a media outlet deemed conservative by many observers. Editorial practices on Fox, such as anchors' editorializing in favor of the war with Iraq and describing Palestinian terrorists as "homicide bombers" instead of "suicide bombers," have contributed to that impression.

But Ailes cited a long roster of Democrats who have appeared on his channel's programs. "That's a lot of side chatter," he said. "We don't believe that bias is when someone presents his point of view. We feel bias is when someone's point of view is eliminated."

Later, in an interview with The Sun, he said the persistence of questions about Fox's political orientation, such as one posed at the Morgan State event by WJZ-TV's Mary Bubala, betrayed the reflexively liberal nature of the news media.

"As long as there is an unfair journalist, that question will be asked," Ailes said. "As long as they never ask these questions of George Stephanopoulos and Tim Russert, they'll always ask it of me." ABC News' Stephanopoulos and NBC News' Russert both worked for years for prominent Democrats. Ailes was a television producer who became a hard-hitting media adviser to Republicans Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

By now, Ailes said, people should have realized that he has relinquished politics. But his political instincts die hard. In Ailes' worlds, the best defense is often a good offense.

A forthcoming book by liberal comedian Al Franken mocking Fox News with its own "fair and balanced" mantra - its title is Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right - has prompted a lawsuit by Fox. In papers for the suit, which hinges on what Fox News says is its right to protect its trademarked phrase, lawyers call Franken "a parasite" and a "C-level commentator" whose "views lack any serious depth or insight," according to published reports.

The tone comes straight from the top. When former Fox anchor Paula Zahn defected to CNN, Ailes compared her ratings to those that would be drawn by a "dead raccoon."

Asked in the interview with The Sun about the persistent question about Fox News' political inclinations, Ailes responded: "Fox News - we haven't retracted a story in seven years. We didn't do 'Tailwind.' We don't have a guy on cocaine making up stories, as the New York Times did ... We've got great journalists."

"Operation Tailwind" was a botched CNN investigative piece on the military that was wholly retracted, while Ailes' remarks about the Times referred to former reporter (and confessed drug user and story fabricator) Jayson Blair.

A strong argument can be made that Fox's track record of no retractions, even if true, does not reflect well on the cable channel. Fox termed reporter Geraldo Rivera's unfounded and much-discussed "friendly fire" dispatch from Afghanistan in December 2001 "an honest mistake" after The Sun debunked it. But the cable network never formally retracted the piece.

Other Fox stories have proven wrong. Anchor Brit Hume once corrected a story that proved to be a hoax.

But Ailes, who built up a head of steam during the interview, also turned the question of bias on his competitors. He argued that Fox News' success has forced others to acknowledge issues of balance for the first time.

"CNN for years had 4,000 liberals and Bob Novak," Ailes said, alluding to the prominent conservative columnist and commentator. Fox News, by contrast, has 14 or 15 conservative commentators and an equal number of liberals, by Ailes' count. (CNN spokeswoman Christa Robinson said her network had no response to Ailes.)

Critics, however, say Fox News stacks the deck when it comes to being "fair and balanced." Conservatives have found a champion in Sean Hannity, the opinionated Fox host who has simultaneously become a talk-radio phenomenon. He is paired on Fox with Alan Colmes, a liberal whose personality is far less electric. Similar manipulation, according to critics, occurs in other ways, too.

In an online column July 30 (available at www.npr.org), National Public Radio ombudsman Jeffrey Dvorkin wrote skeptically about the practice of NPR correspondents appearing on other media outlets, often as analysts or commentators. Mara Liasson and Juan Williams of NPR are frequent contributors to Fox News.

Dvorkin wrote: "Fox hosts often imply that NPR reporters are the embodiment of liberal journalism by placing them against openly conservative personalities. This may confirm in the minds of some viewers that NPR must be as ideologically committed in its own way as Fox is to the conservative cause."

In a 2001 interview with The Sun for a profile of Williams, Liasson said she was not serving as a liberal commentator on Fox News but as a political analyst. She did not return a message seeking comment yesterday.

In a separate quarterly report filed last month about listeners' concerns, Dvorkin wrote: "Complaints about NPR's political bias have increased 100 percent" from the three-month period ending March 31, 2003. "Most of these accuses (sic) NPR of a liberal bias."

Count Ailes among those who detect such a bent. "NPR is liberal. Never are there conservatives on NPR," Ailes said. "Give me a break - who are they kidding?"

"Nobody's ever told, on our channel, left or right, what to say. [Democrat] Al Sharpton's been on our shows. He's not a right-winger. If you wake Mara Liasson up at 3 in the morning and say, 'What are you?' she'll say, 'Liberal!' "

"Who are we kidding?"

Kidding or not, whether you like it or not, Fox News is having a serious effect on how other media outlets are operating. And Ailes is the man making it happen.

sunspot.net.



To: lurqer who wrote (25358)8/14/2003 12:51:13 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 89467
 
Public Opinion On Bush Stabilizes
War, Budget Fuel Partisan Division

By Dan Balz and Claudia Deane
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, August 13, 2003; Page A01

Support for President Bush on Iraq appears to have stabilized after a precipitous drop earlier this summer, but three months after the end of major combat in the Persian Gulf region, the public is again sharply divided along partisan lines over the war and other key aspects of Bush's presidency, according to a new Washington Post Poll.

The return to a polarized political climate, coming so quickly after a period of relative unity during the height of the fighting in Iraq, foreshadows a contentious reelection campaign for the president. The public mood also carries risks for the president's Democratic challengers, who are attempting to appeal to the strong anti-Bush sentiment within their party without jeopardizing the need to attract independent and swing voters in next year's general election.

A solid majority (56 percent) of those surveyed approve of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq, and six in 10 said the war was worth fighting. Those evaluations had been dropping earlier in the summer, but are not significantly different than in a poll taken a month ago and suggest the downward slide may have halted, at least for now.

Bush receives poorer marks on the domestic scene, with 45 percent approving of the way he is handling the economy and 41 percent saying they approve of the way he has dealt with the federal budget, despite a deficit that will hit an estimated $455 billion this fiscal year, a record.

Only a third of those surveyed said the state of the economy was good or excellent. About the same percentage said things were getting better as said things are getting worse (32 percent vs. 29 percent), which, while not impressive, was a more optimistic appraisal than at the beginning of the year.

Asked whether they were better off since Bush became president, 17 percent said they were doing better while 25 percent said they were worse off. Bush's net negative rating on that question is the worst in any Post poll since President George H.W. Bush, whose poor ratings on the economy led to his defeat in 1992. Still, 14 percent of those surveyed said Bush bears primary responsibility for the state of the economy, with twice as many blaming the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

Overall, 59 percent approve of the way Bush is handling his job. While his approval rating has dropped 18 percentage points since early April, his current level of support represents a good foundation as he begins the campaign year ahead.

Behind all these numbers is a country that views Bush and his policies through very different lenses, depending on party affiliation. Throughout much of Bush's presidency, Democrats and Republicans have been at odds in evaluating him, particularly on the economic and domestic issues, but at times of crisis have rallied behind the president on issues of national security

On the day Baghdad fell in April, when Bush's approval rating was at 77 percent, 95 percent of Republicans and 62 percent of Democrats said they approved of his handling of the presidency. In the new poll, GOP support is statistically unchanged, but Democrats have turned sharply negative in their assessments, with 64 percent saying they disapprove.

In other areas, the two parties are mirror opposites of one another, with 80 percent of Democrats disapproving of Bush's handling of the economy and 77 percent of Republicans approving. On the federal budget, 76 percent of Democrats disapprove of Bush's handling of the issue, while 71 percent of Republicans approve.

Independents give Bush positive ratings on his overall handling of the presidency and also on Iraq, but net negative ratings on the economy, taxes and the budget.

The Post poll was conducted among 1,003 randomly selected adults nationwide, who were interviewed by telephone Aug. 7-11. The margin of sampling error for the overall results is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The poll shows that Iraq has again become a polarizing issue, as it was in the months before the war began. Roughly two in three Democrats disapprove of Bush's handling of Iraq, compared with 86 percent of Republicans who approve.

Other issues bring similarly disparate assessments of the war. A majority of Democrats say the war was not worth fighting, while majorities of Republicans and independents say it was. Roughly three in four Democrats say the level of casualties has been unacceptable, while a solid majority of Republicans say the casualties are acceptable.

On the issue that has roiled Washington this summer, whether Bush exaggerated the evidence of Iraq's pursuit or possession of weapons of mass destruction, a strong majority of Democrats say they think he overstated the case, while just as strong a majority of Republicans say he did not.

The one area where the two parties come together is in their assessment of former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein, who is judged by majorities of Americans to be a bad character and whose capture or death is seen as essential to declaring victory.

That view is shared by roughly three in five Republicans, Democrats and independents.

Democrats are divided over the U.S. presence in Iraq, with 56 percent supporting a continuation of troop strength there and 39 percent disapproving -- 29 percent strongly disapproving.

Iraq has touched off a growing debate among the Democratic presidential candidates, with Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (Conn.) charging that former Vermont governor Howard Dean's opposition to the war makes him an unacceptable nominee to challenge Bush. Lieberman also has criticized Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), claiming Kerry tried to have it both ways by supporting the congressional resolution authorizing the use of force but then criticizing Bush for rushing to war.

Lieberman has argued that Democrats need a candidate who strongly supported going to war in Iraq to attract swing voters. In the poll, independents solidly support the U.S. presence in Iraq and say the war was worth fighting, but a majority believe Bush exaggerated the threat from weapons of mass destruction, and half said the level of casualties has been too high.

Asked whether they would vote for Bush or a Democratic nominee if the election were held today, 48 percent said Bush, 40 percent said the Democrat. On that question, eight in 10 Democrats said they would support their party's nominee, and nine in 10 Republicans said Bush. Independents split 43 percent to 39 percent in Bush's favor.

washingtonpost.com.



To: lurqer who wrote (25358)8/14/2003 11:11:44 AM
From: RealMuLan  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
here is an article on "What is a neo-conservative anyway? "
By Jim Lobe.

atimes.com