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To: michael97123 who wrote (111265)	8/13/2003 2:42:03 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

What the french did they did not do in a vacuum .... granted they are frenchmen, and i absolutely disagreed with the way they expressed a few things there [and with our prime frogministre who nodded in their direction at the time, too, for what it's worth] .... however, you cannot entirely separate that stance from the political situation of the day, which was heavy to the bullyin' and bribin' .... too bossy, messieurs yanquis, you cannot push the river ' I agree with the thrust of your post" except for this " a concern far larger than terrorism is domination by the US."' Well that's the reality of the g.w.n. michael, always has been, always will be ..... when the mouse sleeps with the elephant, as Trudeau said, he feels every twitch and grunt .... our independence has been a near thing at several stages of the past, and it may well be so again, it is simple and constant fact that if we do not guard it we will lose this country There is a sign at the peace arch, says 'children of a common mother', and that's true, but we've had to fight to survive, that's also true ..... in '39-'40 there was a lot of concern here that the Lindberghs with their Bunds and America Firsters would make a move on us while we were occupied overseas, and it could have gone that way had the right wing down there had a little more momentum .... Confederation itself was stimulated and advanced because following your war between the states there were all those regiments with no one to conquer, less than twenty years before they had taken half of México, we do not forget these things, when comes an attitude like this 'yer with us or yer agin us', it rings louder and longer than you imagine, perhaps, but just consider the situation Religious whackos flying planes into buildings, sure the CN tower probably appeals to such types .... they've already attacked us at the WTC by the way, twenty-four canucks died there 11.09.01, NYC is a city of our species and not of one nation only, there were eighty nationalities in casualties that day But that's crime, not war .... i am opposed to the use of the term 'war' in re terrorism, it glorifies what should be demeaned as it is being stamped out ..... Canada has twenty-four charges of murder to prosecute, and conspiracy to murder, that is our part against terrorism, and we should have the RCMP in charge overall, with the war office seconded to it, at least nominally ..... and a nice-looking mountie spokeslady issuing all news in re the investigation .... which does not mean you pull any punches in fighting this crime, quite the contrary, we must hit it hard and go to the root causes effectively too, but the bin Ladens et al are dirty little criminals, no more, just cut them down and piss on them, that's that, don't honour them with the titles enemy, or warrior We can beat back that level of crime to a much lower level, we're getting good cooperation from fellow democracies, it will be long hard effort but we will gain and keep a reasonable level of security ..... security from just about any threat lesser than irresponsible elements getting control of the USA, that's the hard one, permanent and strong ..... which is why we breathe a great sigh of relief when we see you leaning in sensible directions, surely this must be audible south of the forty-ninth?