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To: Ish who wrote (111685)	8/15/2003 8:26:25 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<I think Iraqis are nuts. They want electric power but snipe our guys who are fixing the grid.> The guerrillas are concentrating their attacks on essential infrastructure (electricity, oil), which has to function if the U.S. is going to achieve any normalization of daily life for Iraqis. They are also systematically intimidating, and in some cases killing, any Iraqis who collaborate with the American occupation army. The average Iraqi will judge the occupation, not on whether we hold elections, but on whether their daily life gets better. If we can't create an environment where most Iraqis have food, water, housing, electicity, then the population will turn against us. We will be blamed, not the guerrillas. If we spread out our soldiers, in an attempt to protect the electricity and oil infrastructure, we provide lots of easy targets for the guerrillas. If we don't do this, then the guerrillas make the country ungovernable, and gradually create "no-go" zones for our troops. Repeatedly, there have been press reports of Iraqi demands that U.S. soldiers stay out of specific towns and neighborhoods. The guerrillas will then take over essential services, providing security, food, health care. They become the de facto government. If you think they're nuts, you just don't understand guerrilla tactics.

To: Ish who wrote (111685)	8/16/2003 12:43:27 AM
From: Sam	Respond to of 281500

I think Iraqis are nuts. They want electric power but snipe our guys who are fixing the grid. Ish, This is the war. The war never "ended," whatever Bush said. It isn't being fought on the terms that the US wanted, it is being fought on terms that the anti-US factions needed in order to have any chance of "winning."

To: Ish who wrote (111685)	8/16/2003 7:26:45 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 281500

I would not blame Iraqis in general for snipers.......

To: Ish who wrote (111685)	8/16/2003 3:57:17 PM
From: GST	Respond to of 281500

<I think Iraqis are nuts.> I am sure they feel the same about us. An invasion of Iraq was not in our best interests.

To: Ish who wrote (111685)	8/16/2003 4:06:30 PM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 281500

Hi Ish; Re: "I think Iraqis are nuts. They want electric power but snipe our guys who are fixing the grid." I suppose you had not considered the possibility that the Iraqis who were sniping at our guys aren't the same ones that want the electric power fixed, LOL. This is the same sort of reasoning that has gotten Israel into such trouble with the Palestinians. You cannot ascribe to 23 million people the same desires, beliefs and aspirations. Some of the Iraqis want us to leave Iraq immediately, some of them want us to stay forever. Most are somewhere in between, and they all have different reasons for their views. Our basic problem is that it doesn't take a hell of a large number of angry armed people to create a situation like Iraq. Like the military theorists say, the only way that a guerilla insurrection can be put down is by local forces. And so far, the Iraqis aren't doing much to stop the attacks against us. Oh sure, the Bush administration talks up a good storm, but the shooting keeps on going on and that's as good an indication of the health of the guerilla war as is possible. -- Carl