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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Rock_nj who wrote (2026)	8/16/2003 9:44:16 AM
From: rrufff	Respond to of 20039

I agree with almost everything in your post. I believe that the problem we face is evident on these boards. People tend to "speak" or "post" without thinking of the other side. As you say, we are all guilty of these types of things. I object to the broad brush strokes that lazy people like to use. I don't consider myself, left, right, conservative, liberal, etc. I prefer to take each issue and decide without a preconceived box in which to put it. That's why I find the rhetoric on the extremes both amusing and sad. I find extreme left and extreme right often sound very much alike. Often they look for "scapegoats" and have the same target, which obviously doesn't make any sense. There is very much good about our form of government, our people and even this administration. There is much about each that I would change. I have defended Israel's right to exist and been confronted by moronic comments about my religion, even before the commentator knew anything about my religion. I have often used the "in your face" style of posting back, particularly to moronic bigoted self-knighted ones, and only then get a rise out of them. They think it's ok to judge someone by a stereotype and to constantly post that stereotype or extreme view, but when their "religion" or belief system is given a stereotypical label, they become ballistic. The vast majority of Americans support Israel's right to exist, irrespective of religion or other beliefs. I believe it has a "moral" base as a result of the historical tragedies and the bigotry that the Jewish people have endured. I believe almost all Israelis would vote middle of the road and be happy with their tiny strip of land if only there could be true peace with neighbors who are not taught to kill anyone who doesn't believe as they do. I also understand when people write about the plight of the Palestinians and understand that they should have a land of their own. The blame game and finger pointing really doesn't help. I believe that the Arab governments have used the Palestinians to keep themselves in power. From Arafat who apparently has become very wealthy to the OILogarchs and tyrants of the mideast, they have endured and grown powerful by keeping Israel as an enemy. Of course, there are extremists in Israel on both wings and also in the US. To judge or "cut and paste" those views with an eye towards convincing others that those views truly represent the views of "most" of the people is intellectually lazy and "immoral." That's my opinion and I recognize others feel differently. What I don't understand is why so many people have to dwell on their notion of wrongs and conspiracies instead of doing something positive. I strongly believe that the JFK assassination was assisted by powerful people with governmental connections. I have studied it for years. I do also believe, that for both good and bad, we live in a world where it is much harder and perhaps even impossible to keep the people in the dark to the extent that the government could conspire to do 9/11. There are just too many people to silence, too much media, too much internet, too much information, again all with good and bad results, but which translate into a near impossibility of something like 9/11 being anything other than OBL wishing to do the US in. I think the administration is doing itself a disservice by hiding and obfuscating investigations. I believe it is to save embarrassing disclosures of incompetence before an election and to cement the traditional ties between the administration leaders and the Saudis, ties that run for generations. I think that is wrong and there should be full disclosure and independent analysis. I don't believe that anything close to what is suggested by this thread has occurred. As for the US, as the vast majority goes, I also feel that we took out a horrid tyrant, partially because he was a mini Hitler and partially because he used the terrorist "bluff." There was enough evidence of links with terror, paying for suicide bombers and with WMD. This is the acknowledged game that was played by Saddam to keep us guessing. Should we have known the truth? Did the administration color the truth? Was there really WMD? Most Americans would have supported the war to get rid of the tyrant. Most Americans would have supported the war solely because Saddam financed terror and bluffed his connections with WMD. The administration blundered the PR. That's what I believe. I also have had experience with government, usually opposing or trying to help others get through the maze of beaurocracy and red tape. I am totally convinced that government of all forms is extremely inefficient, incoherent and unable to do the basic jobs for which it is set up. By definition, government is not there for profit or to really help the people, but basically to provide "good jobs" usually for patrons of the people in power. Our government, from what I've seen, is one of the best, if not the best, particularly of so-called "superpowers" in the history of the world. Again, my statements are not contradictory. Government is just plain inefficient at best. 9/11 was not a conspiracy on the part of the US, Israel, etc. It should have been prevented but incompetence and fiefdom in our multi billion dollar "intelligence" community failed to discover it even though the clues were on people's desks. (Yet they can find jobs and grants for their "friends.") So - to sum it up. There is much good and bad in all. I perhaps disagree with the percentages. You say most are immoral. I say it is a question of degree and perhaps it is better not to be so quick to find an easy answer in conspiracy theories or categorizing others with whom one disagrees. Again, we are all guilty of that and it is not too late to open up and try to understand the other side.