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To: Neocon who wrote (444059)	8/16/2003 11:12:12 AM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

I don't see anything but an extreme rhetorical attack. On the fact of a time line. Ms Coulter has been around a long time and Moore has only come into the public after. So the idea implied of Coulter coming as an inverse Moore is dumb. Your post of that as some rebuttal I call an idiot identification event cue. Moore lies. Ms Coulter uses truth. But I do understand why individual like Mr Sullivan would have a real fear of Ms Coulter and her ethic of truth. Ms Coulter is a conservative Christian.

To: Neocon who wrote (444059)	8/16/2003 11:53:50 AM
From: phyxter	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Fascinating article. I never took Ann seriously because you could sense that the over-the-top fire-bombing was more to get attention and advance her career--and where's the harm of her parting suckers like TW from their money?--rather than to thoughtfully promote a coherent political philosophy. Your point that, by association, she undermines the credibility of the serious conservative arguments is true, however. She does the causes she claims to support more harm than good. p.

To: Neocon who wrote (444059)	8/19/2003 7:33:39 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

"her flights of fancy go back a long long way. No punches are pulled. Ted Kennedy is an "adulterous drunk." " That's a flight of fancy?? Tim

To: Neocon who wrote (444059)	8/19/2003 8:27:17 PM
From: Kevin Rose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

This part sums it all up beautifully. Coulter will indeed be seen as the McCarthy of our time, save one fact: she doesn't wield nearly the power, being merely a pundit... "But by making huge and sweeping generalizations about all liberals, Coulter undermines her own arguments and comes close to making them meaningless. If you condemn good and bad liberals alike, how can you be trusted to make any moral distinctions of any kind? And by defending the tactics of Joe McCarthy, she actually plays directly into the hands of the left. What she won't concede is that it is possible to be clear-headed about the role that some liberals and Democrats played in supporting the Soviet Union, while reviling the kind of tactics McCarthy used. In fact, when liberals taunt conservatives with being McCarthyites, conservatives now have to concede that some of their allies, namely Coulter, obviously are McCarthyites - and proud of it. One of the most reputable scholars who has studied the McCarthy era in great detail, Ron Radosh, is appalled at the damage Coulter has done to the work he and many others have painstakingly done over the years. "I am furious and upset about her book," he told me last week. "I am reading it - she uses my stuff, Harvey Klehr and John Haynes, Allen Weinstein etc. to distort what we actually say and to make ludicrous and historically incorrect arguments. You might recall my lengthy and negative review in The New Republic a few years ago of Herman's book on McCarthy; well, she is ten times worse than Herman. At least he tried to use bona fide historical methods of research and argument." Now Radosh has endured ostracism and abuse for insisting that many of McCarthy's victims were indeed Communist spies or agents. But he draws the line at Coulter's crude and inflammatory defense of McCarthy. "I think it is important that those who are considered critics of left/liberalism don't stop using our critical faculties when self-proclaimed conservatives start producing crap." Amen. American politics has been badly damaged by the scruple-free tactics of those like Michael Moore and Ann Coulter. In some ways, of course, these shameless hucksters of ideological hate deserve each other. But America surely deserves better."