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To: KonKilo who wrote (5247)8/18/2003 1:36:42 AM
From: KLP  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793543
 
You must be saying that lawyers are lying as well....right?

>>>>>>>>>>>>but you might recall that he was in that court of law because of the enormously expensive and morally bankrupt witchhunt directed against him, one that went on for years, trying to find something, anything to use against him. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



To: KonKilo who wrote (5247)8/18/2003 5:17:04 AM
From: unclewest  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793543
 
he was in that court of law because of the enormously expensive and morally bankrupt witchhunt directed against him, one that went on for years, trying to find something, anything to use against him.

It wasn't difficult to find Clinton doing unlawful, unseemly things. His continuous moral turpitude and abuse of power for personal gain have been thoroughly documented.

Demos are just now beginning to understand that over 50% of the NASDAQ crash occurred before Clinton left office. His dismantling of 38-39% of our military even while America was being attacked in a regular pattern was his greatest crime against the American people.

Clinton's oath of office required him to protect and defend the United States. He musta forgot that little detail. But the people have not forgotten how important that facet of the president's job is. Once again the pendulum is swinging the other way.

We have had several generations in my lifetime.
The 40s spawned the hero generation.
The 1960's was the time in which America saw her greatest moral decline. The hippies undermined everything the Hero generation of WWII fought and died to build for us.
The 70s were the boring beige days...Followed by the 80s and the Reagan can do wrong years.
The pendulum swung all the way to the left again for Clinton.
Then America learned once again two difficult lessons... we have serious enemies intent on destroying us, and we cannot negotiate from weakness.

Generation X'ers are now the movers and shakers. They do not share the "fear to fight" that the plump middle-aged left wing has tried to put on them. You can see the dynamic, exciting and penchant for well-trained risk-taking in the new sports developed by Generation X'ers.

You can see it in the Gen X youngsters in the military serving with great pride as their grandfathers and great-grandfathers did.

Gen X is not buying the argument that Clinton did no wrong...they see right through that and have lost respect for middle-aged adults (like their parents) who still try to impose that thinking on them.

For their age, Gen X is better educated, better traveled and far more more savvy about world affairs than any other generation ever. They are now becoming fathers, husbands and leaders in business and the military. Soon they will be assuming roles of greater importance.

They are looking for great leaders and will find their own. Those leaders are not going to be soft Gores, angry Kerrys, faded Gephardts, or pretty-boy Edwards. They will be men and women of stature who will set and demand excellence.

Gen X'ers are not buying the old left-wing proposals of high taxes and unlimited hand-outs to those unwilling to accept the basic responsibility of providing for themselves. They are starting their own businesses now and see clearly how bureaucracy and excessive taxes are stifling them. They see the fear and lack of fight in Clinton worshippers and want no part of it.

Gen X'ers are fully aware of the threats we face. They are not afraid to step-up and do their duty to protect America.
They know they are lucky to be American...I know America is lucky to have them.
unclewest



To: KonKilo who wrote (5247)8/18/2003 6:53:30 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793543
 
If Young runs, he gets 98% of the black vote. And loses.

Young May Try to Add 'Senator' to Résumé
By DAVID M. HALBFINGER - NEW YORK TIMES

ATLANTA, Aug. 17 - Thirteen years after he last held elective office, Andrew J. Young Jr., the former pastor, civil rights leader, congressman, mayor and ambassador, to pick a few lines from his résumé, is eyeing a new title: United States senator.

He is 71 now, overweight, and hobbles on two bad knees. But because the Democratic incumbent, Senator Zell Miller, is stepping down next year and the Democratic Party can find no one more capable of trying to retain his seat, and because Mr. Young, ever the internationalist, is increasingly concerned about America's place in the world and eager to do something about it, he is considering ending his political retirement.

"My children are secure financially, but my grandchildren, the kind of debt we're building up, the kind of confusion we're creating in the global order, is a threat to my grandchildren's security," Mr. Young said in an interview today. "I have a feeling that we really don't know what we're doing."

The political terrain he appears set upon re-entering has changed sharply since 1990, when Mr. Young was swamped in a primary runoff for governor by Mr. Miller, who went on to win two terms before heading to Washington. Like much of the South, Georgia has become only more conservative: last fall, Gov. Roy Barnes and Senator Max Cleland, both Democrats, were ousted by lesser-known, conservative Republicans. And two popular conservative representatives, Johnny Isakson and Mac Collins, are already running and raising money for the Republican primary for the Senate.

But Mr. Young, and many Democrats both here and in Washington, say that if any Democrat can win this election, it is he.

"I think he'll be the cause célèbre of the entire Democratic Party around the country," said Ronald Lester, a Democratic pollster who said Mr. Young was the most popular Democrat in Georgia, black or white. "He's on this rarefied ground with white voters that most black candidates rarely ever get to."

In the interview at his home here, Mr. Young noted that in 1990, when he was trounced in the primary for governor, no black had yet been elected statewide in Georgia. Today, the state attorney general and the labor commissioner are black.

Though he concedes that Democrats have more of an uphill battle in Georgia today, Mr. Young said that Mr. Barnes and Mr. Cleland each ran poor campaigns, relying too heavily on advertising and too little on grass-roots organizing, and that he would not make the same mistakes.

Sitting in the living room of his shady ranch house, surrounded by paintings, sculptures and mementos collected over countless trips around the world, Mr. Young said he had had no interest in re-entering politics when Senator Jon S. Corzine of New Jersey, chairman of the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee, first approached him two years ago. He was too busy, he said, trying to promote trade and build airports, seaports and power plants in Africa.

In two terms as mayor of Atlanta, and then as co-chairman of the Atlanta Committee for the Olympic Games, Mr. Young forged ties with dozens of countries, reaped billions of dollars in construction and investment for Atlanta and the state, ran the Olympics in the black without government subsidies and left a legacy of sports facilities across Georgia.

Since 1996, when he formed GoodWorks International, a consulting firm, Mr. Young has spent about 10 days a month in Africa ? the exceptions being after prostate surgery in 2000 and knee surgery in 2001.

Yet Mr. Young, who was ambassador to the United Nations from 1977 to 1979, said he had come to some unpleasant conclusions recently. One is that the Bush administration is not ready to involve itself in Africa.

"The things I'm trying to do are in America's strategic interest," he said. "Unfortunately, neither Colin Powell nor Condoleezza Rice has had much on-the-ground experience in Africa, and the Rumsfeld group has no interest."

Another is that global instability has made it hard to get things done.

"As soon as we get something put together, something falls apart," Mr. Young said. "And the mood of expansion, and optimism from the 1980's that we profited by, when everybody had surplus capital, has now shifted ? and everybody's scared."

"We talk globalism," he added, "but we're pulling back."

His decision to run for the Senate first gelled last month, Mr. Young said, when he was flying home after leading a conference in Lagos, Nigeria, that was attended by 2,000 people. On the plane, a few former congressmen, all of them white Democrats, urged him to run, saying his stature would make him unique among freshmen senators. He could also become the first black senator since Carol Moseley Braun of Illinois was defeated in 1998.

He said he would work on far more than African issues as a senator and would pay special attention to small-town Georgia during the campaign. "As the mayor in Atlanta, I was always in tension with rural areas," he said. "But I won't have been mayor now for 14 years."

Republicans here see Mr. Young quite differently. "Andy Young's asking you to elect him a U.S. senator so he can go to Washington and be an obstructionist to things that Georgians want," said Alec Poitevint, the state Republican chairman. "The problem with Democrats is they're not in the mainstream of what average Georgians feel and expect from their elected representatives."

To win, political experts say Mr. Young would have to get nearly 40 percent of the white vote, in addition to an overwhelming black turnout. But from his days in the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, to his tenure at the United Nations, and then as mayor, Mr. Young was always been seen as a peacemaker and a bridge-builder across racial, factional and national lines.

"Almost everything I tried to do in Congress I was able to do," he said, "because I worked on both sides of the aisle. Conservatives were always in the prayer groups, and I attended. Every Wednesday morning, we had Bible study. Almost everybody there but me was an extreme conservative. But they saw me as sincere, and I could also share their religious convictions ? but give it a little different twist."

Though he plans to announce formally in late September, he remains a bit conflicted. "I almost wish I could run a really good campaign, and lose," he said.

But he clearly would much prefer to run a good campaign and win.

"It's not an easy race," he said. "But one of the things that compel me to do it is, I have so much more experience, in almost everything. Put it this way: I'm offering myself to the people of Georgia, as a representative who understands their state, and the world in which we live."

Anyway, the alternative to re-entering the ring, he said, is really not so appetizing: "Sitting around, getting old, and complaining about what other people are not doing."
nytimes.com



To: KonKilo who wrote (5247)8/18/2003 8:31:00 AM
From: DMaA  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793543
 
He was in court because a sexual harassment law HE SIGNED gave Paula Jones standing to bring him there. Amazing to me that in all that blizzard of words no one thought to discuss whether that was a good or bad law.