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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (25696)8/17/2003 11:39:18 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Attacks in Iraq May Be Signals of New Tactics

By JOHN TIERNEY and ROBERT F. WORTH

THE NEW YORK TIMES

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Aug. 17 — In a turbulent 12-hour stretch, a pipeline supplying much of Baghdad's water was blown up this weekend, a huge new fire was set off along an oil pipeline, and a mortar attack on a prison left 6 Iraqis dead and 59 wounded.

The attacks raised new concerns that the insurgents who have been singling out American soldiers may be widening their strikes to include civilian targets and economic sabotage. The explosion at the water pipeline was the work of saboteurs, investigators said, and the fire along the pipeline appeared suspicious as well.

It occurred near the spot in northern Iraq where saboteurs on Friday blew up another part of the pipeline, which carries Iraqi oil into Turkey.

The mortar attack occurred shortly before midnight Saturday at Abu Ghraib, a prison that became notorious during Saddam Hussein's rule for its terrible conditions and for the torture and execution of political prisoners. Some of its current prisoners are suspected of being part of the violent insurgency against American forces by members of the former government. Shortly before midnight, three mortar shells were fired into the prison compound, where inmates were being held in tents.

At the prison this afternoon, a Reuters cameraman identified as Mazen Dana was shot and killed by a soldier, a spokesman for the occupation said. Reuters reported that Mr. Dana, 43, a Palestinian, had been filming outside the prison when he was shot by a G.I. in a tank.

Officials said the motives for the mortar attack on the prison Saturday were unknown, as was the identity of the attacker. But they suggested that the shelling, like the sabotage of pipelines, might be part of the larger effort to destabilize Iraq and drive out Americans. Samir Shakir Mahmoud Sumaidy, a member of the new Iraqi interim government, the Governing Council, condemned the attack after visiting some of the victims who had been taken to an American military hospital.

"Attacking prisoners is just unexplainable and completely incomprehensible," he said. "The only deduction I have is that these attackers have lost their way. They have no strategy. They just want to create mayhem, create chaos.

"This will certainly not hasten the departure of coalition forces. In fact, it will probably increase the time of their staying here," he said.

The sabotage of the water pipeline was the first such strike against Baghdad's water system, city water engineers said. It happened around 7 this morning, when a blue Volkswagen Passat stopped on an overpass near the Nidaa mosque and an explosive was fired at the six-foot-wide water main in the northern part of Baghdad, said Hayder Muhammad, the chief engineer for the city's water treatment plants.

Instantly, jets of high-pressure water shot into the air and began flooding the roadway below, which links Palestine Street to the Adhamiya neighborhood. The break left residents with little or no water most of the day in about 10 neighborhoods covering a large part of the city.

Water continued to pour from the jagged two-foot-wide hole in the main this afternoon, and hundreds of children and young men were swimming and splashing.

"Most of the area will be without water, and now people will start saying the Americans did this," said a bystander, Hissan Baghdadi, 35. "But it has nothing to do with the Americans at all. It was Iraqis who did this."

The deputy mayor of Baghdad, Faris Abdul Razaq al-Aasam, said workers expected to restore water by late this evening. City engineers warned that there could be some problems for several days.

As the fire at the oil pipeline burned this afternoon in northern Iraq, sending black smoke nearly three miles high northwest of Mosul, occupation officials in Baghdad noted that they had recently signed a contract with a private firm to hire 6,500 guards for Iraq's oil facilities. After the pipeline was shut down Friday by an explosion and fire, officials said that it would take perhaps two weeks to repair the damage and that the loss of the pipeline was costing Iraq $7 million per day.

In southern Iraq, a Danish soldier and two Iraqis were killed in a firefight Saturday night about 30 miles north of Basra, Danish military officials said. It was the first military casualty for the Danish.

The firefight broke out in the town of Medina when a Danish patrol tried to prevent Iraqis from stealing electrical cables, said Lt. Col. Jens Kofoed, a Danish military spokesman. Two Iraqis were killed along with the soldier, Lance Cpl. Preben Pedersen, Colonel Kofoed said.

The incident is being investigated, and it is possible that Lance Cpl. Pedersen was killed accidentally by one of his fellow officers, Colonel Kofoed said.

nytimes.com



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (25696)8/17/2003 11:51:23 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Batteries Not Included
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By MAUREEN DOWD
OP-ED COLUMNIST
THE NEW YORK TIMES
August 17, 2003

WASHINGTON - Klaatu barada nikto. I couldn't help but flash on the 50's sci-fi classic "The Day the Earth Stood Still," watching New York and other cities plunged into sweaty darkness when the 50's equipment on the power grid gave out.

That's the movie where Michael Rennie, as the superior alien, and his silver robot, Gort, land their spaceship on the Washington Mall. Mr. Rennie ends up shutting down electricity on earth — suspending elevators midskyscraper, turning off TV midshow — to get skeptical earthlings to listen to his message. (Stop fighting among yourselves or we'll destroy your puny little planet.)

New York took on a retro tone Thursday, gamely going back to batteries, relying on ice blocks to cool food and transistor radios to hear news. Without a blow-dryer, the usually sleek CNN anchor Paula Zahn was relegated to bedhead waves.

TV reporters offered New Yorkers tips. Be careful that your candles don't tip over. But unplugged Gothamites, busy using cigarette lighters to find their way out of subways, had no TV's on which to hear the tips. (Except the paranoid rich, who partied in Westchester with backup generators. Once, private jets were chic; now you must have private juice.)

Residents of Iraq and India, interviewed on television, seemed shocked to learn that the most technologically advanced nation had an electrical support system so rickety it is "third world," as Bill Richardson put it. (Indians call their underperforming electricity "bijli," rhymes with "Gigli.") Steamed Iraqis offered us tips, including: Sleep on the roof and take showers. As in showdenfreude?

Thursday reminded us of the tenuousness of our romance with technology; we spend our days using a thicket of high-tech equipment without a clue about how it actually works or what to do when it doesn't.

We have BlackBerrys that are also telephones and Palm Pilots that are also cameras and cellphones that also send text-message mash notes. We take it on faith that the power will come on when we switch on computers to send e-mail around the world instantaneously from our air-conditioned, well-lit, cable-TV-equipped, key-coded, A.T.M.-financed worlds, without ever knowing that our power might be originating in Canada — eh? — or looping eerily around Lake Erie.

Now comes news that our foamy lattes are steamed by the antiquated, overloaded system at Niagara Mohawk? I thought we'd already seen the Last of the Mohicans.

It was disturbing that the experts were having so much trouble figuring out what happened, resorting to mumbo jumbo about "forensic analyses" and "cascading outages" while lapsing into border bashing about which country's lightning or power surges were to blame.

Holy Enron! Who knew, until 21 plants shut down in three minutes, that they worked on the discredited domino theory? Who knew our grid was more stressed than we are?

When the blackout began, President Bush said he thought the grid needed to be modernized, "and have said so all along." The White House and Congress have been warned repeatedly by engineers that the tattered links needed to be fixed fast.

You would think that the first White House team from the energy bidness — the Houston Oilers, as they were dubbed during the campaign — would have jumped all over that.

But all Dick Cheney's secret meetings with unnamed energy officials were, sadly, not about saving us from this day. The White House has been too busy ensuring that Halliburton has no competitors for rebuilding Iraq to worry about rebuilding our own threadbare grid.

Tom Ridge would have been better off fixating on this weakness than playing with his color swatches.

Washington is a welter of blame. Democrats fingered the Republicans for catering to the oil industry; Republicans fingered the Democrats for being cowed by the environmental community. The only illumination in the blackout was this: Pols have been holding the energy bill hostage to their special interests.

Just when we're feeling vulnerable to terrorists — does anybody believe our ports are secure? — we learn we're also vulnerable to the very system meant to protect us.

This has got to be giving terrorists ideas as they watch from their caves. Osama may be plotting on his laptop right now, tapping into the cascading effect of an army of new terrorists signing up every time we kill or arrest a terrorist.

nytimes.com



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (25696)8/18/2003 1:40:08 PM
From: Rarebird  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
I've always taken history very seriously. And I know that by 1815, Great Britain was not only the wealthiest nation on earth but also the most powerful in military terms. Nothing like it had ever been seen in all of man's earlier history. By 1850, Great Britain had tripled its population and quadrupled its per individual living standard. More REAL wealth had been produced over those short years than in all of mankind's entire past history. It had all been caused by TWO revolutions in ideas.

The first revolution had taken place in political ideas and had been anchored in the British Bill of Rights of 1688. It is from these ideas where one can talk about the birth of classical liberalism because these ideas set the individual free. The second set of new ideas were in the early thoughts of economics, in which people like Adam Smith proved that man, the producer, also functioned best when left free. These two human realms of individual freedom then intertwined to become Capitalism, both anchored upon a foundation of individualism and the stern knowledge that the individual depended upon his individual right to his own - LIFE, LIBERTY AND PROPERTY. Any interference with any of these three and the entire system breaks asunder. It is then poverty which again creeps forward.

It's sad that you don't value Life, Liberty and Property, Jimbo.

These two streams of ideas in politics and economics have abundantly shown their true worth in all those places where they have been given even a partial opportunity to function in a corrupted manner. In all the many other places where "different" political and economic ideas have been tried - poverty rules.

Sorry to lecture you, Jimbo. But Capitalism is about CAPITAL. Capital is the sum of real, physical productive tools and equipment as compared to the sum of human beings around them. Increase the stock of capital faster than an increase in people and per capita living standards improve. Do the opposite and per capita living standards fall.

The sum of all good policy is simply this: Do NOTHING to hinder, slow or obstruct the freely chosen accumulation of capital.

Your Ideas Have REAL Consequences Jimbo or is it Bimbo?:

Capital is physically real. And that's why standing in a third world country with individuals who have all this political, economic, and industrial knowledge and providing them with a stack of billions in paper money CANNOT bring about a rising real living standard. They have no REAL capital to work with. It is only over time, during which more is literally physically being produced than is being consumed that new capital can be formed out of the unconsumed production. In a country where more is literally being consumed than is being produced, a process of capital consumption is taking place. And it is this which can now be seen in the stark numbers from the US manufacturing sector.

The United States is engaged in a self-chosen policy of CAPITAL CONSUMPTION.

Every nation in history which has embarked on this road has ended up being POOR!

PS Clinton was NO liberal.