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To: lurqer who wrote (25778)	8/19/2003 4:22:58 PM
From: Henry Niman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

>>Hope any BC SARS outbreak is brief.<< Some say it didn't even happen. Yesterday I tried to see how close Surrey Memorial Hospital and Kinsmen Place Lodge were to each other. For the hospital, I actually ended up with the address of the Surrey Memorial Hospital Foundation, which is run by Fraser Health and located several miles from Surrey Memorial Hospital. Surrey Memorial Hospital is at 13750 96th Avenue Surrey, BC V3V 1Z2 Kinsmen Place Lodge is at 13333 Old Yale Road Surrey, BC V3T 5A2 According to mapquest, the two facilities are 1.71 kilometers apart mapquest.com Thus, in April two of the four probable SARS cases in British Columbia were at Surrey Memorial Hospital(probable SARS case #2 and a health care worker, probable SARS case #4, who contracted the disease while caring for her) and in July there was an outbreak of SARS CoV associated illness at Kinsman Place Lodge, about a mile away. Health care workers at Kinsmen were the first to show symptoms in July. Thus, although SARS was transmitted to a health care worker at Surrey Memorial Hospital in April, and in July Health Care Workers at Kinsmen developed a flu-like conditions associated with detection of SARS CoV RNA and antibody, health officials were unable to link the two outbreaks (but Fraser Health has a Foundation to support Surrey Memorial Hospital and Fraser Health is managing the SARS outbreak at Kinsman Place).

To: lurqer who wrote (25778)	8/20/2003 10:00:17 AM
From: abuelita	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

this article by graham turner was reprinted in the vancouver sun on the weekend. it provides an interesting look into the american psyche. An American Odyssey. 'The US isn't a super-power - we're a super-duper power and there hasn't been one before.' Why is there such deep distrust between America and the rest of the world? To find out, I spent five weeks travelling across the country, talking to members of the administration, presidents of great universities, military commanders, chief executive officers of giant corporations and banks - and a host of ordinary citizens. By Graham Turner. Monday, June 16, 2003. more at .... flyingfish.org.uk it's long, but i couldn't stop reading it with a horrid fascination. for those of you not interested in reading the entire text, here is a précis - not mine. Interesting six page article in the Sun yesterday by Graham Turner of The Daily Telegraph entitled "The US Empire". It tries to explore why their is such deep distrust of the US by the rest of the world. It's main points are: 1) It's a different type of empire. One whose footsoldiers came from Hollywood, instead of the battlefield. And instead of taking over countries, it lets countries "choose" their own path. However many foreign leaders or top business people have attended US schools, and received their indoctrination into the US way. 2) Many in the US can't understand that their are other ways of conducting business or doing politics. They are convinced that their way is the best, and all that is needed is to convert people into their way of thinking, much like the Catholic missionaries of old. 3) Many in the US believe that their country is God's chosen land. They believe that they are doing God's work and are not acting in their own self-interest. 4) The current Government is very much on the far right, and has been using 9-11 in an Orwellian fashion to stifle dissent. By keeping the terrorist bogieman out there, they have been able to clamp down on personal freedoms, and have turned some in the media into jingoistic supporters of the Gov't agenda instead of dispassionate observers (eg. Fox news' coverage of the Iraq war). 5) Ironically enough it is the US Military that is doing the best at gaining an appreciation for the rest of the world and their points of view, as they realize that they will be used as the "Worlds Policeman" and know that to be the most effective in a given country they will need to relate to those citizens in a way that makes the citizens the most comfortable. rose