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To: michael97123 who wrote (112098)	8/20/2003 8:44:51 AM
From: Noel de Leon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Some things you have written. "Those bastards. There is nothing that justifies this but Leon will find something i am sure. Bomb rocks Jerusalem, kills children" Speculation without basis in fact. "One or two terrorist killed. 22 Jews killed and over one hundred wounded.Ask Leon and Marcos, they think this is about right. After all, leon was a jew abd was an american ...." More speculation without basis in fact, but no more than that. "And please dont parse your words like leon. He calls bush a warmonger and then says he only called him a liar. You screw around with israel as a nation of thieves. When Leon brought that up the first time I immediatlely thought of the Shylock character. But of course if israel were china and a great power in leons twisted world, it could act without such condemnation but if israel were the US(also a great power), leon would be all over us." I said: "Bush II(he who lies in order to be a warmonger)" Nothing "only" about that sentence. I never said Israel is a nation of thieves. An unmitigated lie. Shame on you. As to the rest of your speculations, hope you get them out of your system soon, for your own sake. You don't try to disprove my statement that Israel is a thieving nation comparable to Zimbabwe. You try to twist what I've said. I'll say it as clearly as I can. Zimbabwe stole land from farmers(by kicking farmers out of the country), Israel is stealing land from farmers(by building a wall preventing farmers access to their land).

To: michael97123 who wrote (112098)	8/20/2003 2:40:44 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

'I cant help but be angry.' - neither can i, all tension-relaxing humour aside ... and we probably shouldn't help it, anger is there for a purpose, it stimulates us to fix problems, we need only channel it well .... and there's the hard part - we need something like, and at the same time quite unlike, the old adage Don't get mad, get even Cool heads with the ability to distinguish 1. exactly what is the problem, and 2. how to fix it, that's what we need to channel anger into productive work, and neither zionists nor indigenous have such heads in power at the present time 'by arguing moral equivalence you give aid and comfort to the terrorists' Not so .... what i have argued is far more situational than moral, although clearly morality will come into it, since everything done by anyone in such a crucial corner of the world will be judged by the Rest of Us, who will inevitably use terms of morality on it ..... but it is basically situational, two peoples with whacko religions fighting over the same lands ...... however, i would not term it 'equivalence', as clearly one of these peoples has been there for many centuries, and the other has recently invaded ... so all in all 'moral equivalence' doesn't apply ... as for giving anything to terrorists by posting on this thread, i rather doubt that is the case, as i do not expect any to be reading, since none ever post, to my knowledge not one palestino or spokesperson for the people has ever shown up here .... we've got zionists present, and we've got neutrals, and that's it 'You screw around with israel as a nation of thieves.' Not so ... i cleared that up in the post to which you are responding ... never have i typed that, never would i type that ... probably would never have typed 'thieving nation' either, had you not brought up this baseless charge The fundamental question is how to break out of the cycle of violence, and i suggest going to the root of it, and eliminating the religion from the invading state ..... wipe out all cultish influence from its constitucion and its law, make it a free country for all human beings resident, translate Liberté Egalité Fraternité into hebrew and arabe .... if that be termed by the zionists 'destruction of Israel', well then so be it, they've had their chance, and look where they got us ' Violence, therefore, was implicit in Zionism from the very beginning.' - #reply-18311394