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To: mishedlo who wrote (256932)	8/21/2003 12:21:06 AM
From: Lee Lichterman III	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 436258

No, my point is yes men make general, they don't make good generals. Honest people willing to shake things up dont make general unless they slip through the cracks. Most of these guys would make the most crooked CEOs look honest in comparison. This sytem like most other systems is broken. My point ws I would seriously doubt voting anyone into power that was able to make it up to general in the military. I don't know enough about Powell to comment much but I have heard stories, and lots of them and he wasn't all he was spun to be. Same with Swartzkauff (sp). Patton was one of those that slipped through but that was old Army too before we got so political. There are a few but they are far between. Most are outright disgusting. You think you hear lies from Washington or the Market, you should hear the spin they pull in this world!!!!!!! ========== As for Bush and sending us in to fight. He may have made a spin to win support but I will tell you that we would rather go fight Saddam to get rid of him for who he was and what he stood for than for Clinton when he just wanted the press off his back. To him, we were a distraction force so he could pull his stunts. I don't care is f he was getting hummers in teh Oval Office but he lied and then used the military for non-strategic reasons. That was unforgivable. No one is going to cry that we kicked Iraq under Bush. We may not win the peace, but we won the war and the world is a better place. Had Clinton sent us in to take care of Saddam the first time he kicked out the inspectors and let us take out Osama when they had him in their sites, there would be thousands of people alive today that aren't with us now, Bill Meehan to name one. Good Luck, Lee

To: mishedlo who wrote (256932)	8/21/2003 3:40:28 AM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 436258

msnbc.com <<...Another sure thing: Wes Clark is in. The retired general and Rhodes Scholar increasingly looks like a seer for his pre-war comments. Go back and read what he had to say in the months leading up to the invasion of Iraq. (Any of the Clark for President grassroots Web sites will do.) Clark, who was leaning toward running in any case, almost certainly can’t now resist the chance to say “I told you so.” And, more than any other possible Democratic candidate (with the exception of John Kerry), Clark could brush off the soft-on-defense rhetoric that GOP oppo experts are preparing to throw at the Democratic Party...>>

To: mishedlo who wrote (256932)	8/21/2003 9:31:15 AM
From: Pogeu Mahone	Respond to of 436258

Worm turns PCs into spam machines Sobig.F could crash servers and is believed to be the fastest spreading Internet worm ever. August 21, 2003: 8:05 AM EDT SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Several Internet worms that have besieged computers for over a week played havoc again on Wednesday, including one called Sobig.F whose aim was to turn PCs into spam machines and was believed to be the fastest growing virus ever, experts said. Sobig.F drops software onto infected Windows computers that open them to be used later for distributing Internet spam -- unwanted e-mails and product promotions, experts said. It also represents a new trend in converging e-mail spamming and virus software writing, they said. "We believe (Sobig.F) has been written by a spammer or spammers" looking for ways to get past spam filters, said Mikko Hypponen, manager of anti-virus research for Finnish security firm F-Secure. "For once, we have a clear motive for a virus -- money." Security experts said it was difficult to ascertain how many computers had been infected by the Sobig.F worm. Worms are viruses that spread through networks. Internet service America Online (AOL: Research, Estimates), however, said it blocked about 11.5 million copies while security firm MessageLabs stopped more than 1 million copies within the first 24 hours and dubbed Sobig.F the fastest growing e-mail virus ever. Sobig.F hit the computing world as corporations were still recovering from several worms that spread through holes in Windows operating systems from Microsoft Corp. (MSFT: Research, Estimates), including the "Blaster" worm. Also called "LovSan," it has infected and crashed hundreds of thousands of computers since last week. The "Welchia" or "Nachi" worm, which surfaced on Monday, infected 72,000 computers used by the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps. and crippled Air Canada's reservation counters and call centers. CSX Transportation said Wednesday that a virus infection had slowed its dispatching and signal systems, forcing it to halt passenger and freight train traffic, including the morning commuter train service in Washington, D.C. New trend, spam-virus convergence Sobig.F hit home users particularly hard, experts said. It arrives in an e-mail with an attachment that when opened infects the computer and sends itself on to other victims using a random e-mail address from the address book, making it difficult to trace the worm back to its source. The Sobig family of worms represents a new trend in the convergence of worm and spam techniques for more widespread and faster deployment, experts said. Virus writers are utilizing software that spammers employ to send bulk spam messages. Conversely, spammers are starting to use methods incorporated by virus writers to spread their messages and avoid detection, said Brian Czarny, marketing director at e-mail security company MessageLabs. Previous Sobig versions loaded a program onto infected PCs that broadcast spam to other computers, turning the PCs into so-called "spam relays." Related Stories • 'Good' worm hits computers • E-mail deluge triggered by 'worm' • As the Worm turns Sobig.F downloads a Trojan to infected computers, which could later be remotely activated to send spam, experts said. "There are computers scanning the Internet for open relays so spammers can jump from one machine to the next and be able to send millions of spam messages and have them not be traced back to them or be blocked," said Jimmy Kuo, research fellow at anti-virus vendor Network Associates Inc. (NET: Research, Estimates). Sobig.F, which expires on Sept. 10, is spreading quickly because it sends multiple e-mails simultaneously and spreads to other computers on a shared network, said experts, who predict there will be another version in the near future. America Online and CNN/Money are both subsidiaries of AOL Time Warner Inc. (AOL: Research, Estimates). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 2003 Reuters All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. --*Disclaimer Try an issue of MONEY magazine