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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: John Carragher who wrote (23705)8/21/2003 8:26:03 AM
From: lorne  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 27734
 
John. You said...." How do you prevent a suicide bomber? Streets are open , many cars, buses, sidewalks full.
I share your anger but do not know how in a city the size of Baghdad you can stop a suicide bomber if he wants to explode a bomb.".....

I guess I have no real idea John, I only have my own opinion and that would be to educate people, to expose them to the truth that islam is a violent hate filled religion that teaches kids that their purpose in life is to strap a bomb on themselves and murder as many innocent people as they can.....These kids actually believe that they will be rewarded in paradise by their god allah.

Course this is a long term project and still would not stop crazies from murdering innocent people but it would stop all those that think that some allah somewhere will reward them for murder.

I also think that one of our greatest handi caps in the battle with islam is that we ..the civilized people of the world....are not programmed to think as muslims do. We cherish and try to protect human life. muslims on the other hand commit mass murder and believe it is the correct thing to do. We will spend millions and millions of dollars defending a muslim mass murderer in our courts even when we know they are guilty because we believe he has certain rights accorded him just because he is human.

muslims use our system and laws very well to kill us and we let them cuz were good guys and if we show the enemy how very nice we are they will just love us all to heck and forget we are mere infidels.



To: John Carragher who wrote (23705)8/21/2003 8:28:31 AM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 27734
 
John, our politically correct leaders must not pussy-foot around the koranic cult. They are terrorists one and all. Oriana Falaci said it all "The only difference between a militant and a moderate is the length of their beards". They are educated and trained (funded by Saudi and the West for the most part through the disguise of charities) to further their cult by every means possible including mass murder, slavery, violence, threats, lies, cheating, extortion and outright theft. This is not only permissible in their evil koranic book of hate IT IS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED AGAINST THE INFIDEL AND KAFIR AS A FUNDAMENTAL MATTER OF FAITH. What the author of the piece is trying to put forward is that the koran is a recipe of terrorism. muhammad was an extreme militant, not a man of peace. When he invaded India he slaughtered and enslaved millions of Hindus and others in that theologically diverse country.

Our Western culture has forgotten that the koranic cult's first and foremost goal is world domination and our democracies are susceptible to infection. Much the same as a malicious trojan horse virus searching for an open port on your PC.

I am not a religious man but a current example of their thought process is summed up in the folllowing text:

Archbishop Giuseppe Bernardini

I have been living in Turkey for the past 42 years, a 99.9% Muslim country, and I have been the Archbishop of Izmir - Asia Minor - for the past 16 years. The theme of my intervention is therefore obvious: the problem of Islam in Europe today and in the future. I thank Bishop Pelâtre, who already spoke about this theme in this prestigious assembly, dispensing me therefore of a long examination and relative interpretations.
My intervention is to make a humble request of the Holy Father, above all. To be brief and clear, first I will mention three cases that, due to their provenance, I believe to be true:

A muslim brigaed of the Bosnian army on the march at Zenica, Bosnia (Dec. 1995).

1) During an official meeting on Islamic-Christian dialogue, an authoritative Muslim person, speaking to the Christians participating, at one point said very calmly and assuredly: "Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you; thanks to our religious laws we will dominate you."
This is to be believed because the "domination" has already begun with the "petro-dollars" used not to create work in the poor North African or Middle Eastern countries, but to build mosques and cultural centers in Christian countries with Islamic immigrants, including Rome, the center of Christianity. How can we fail to see in all this a clear programme of expansion and reconquest?


Two young recruits to Islam, one from Belgium and the other from Germany, in training at a mujahideen camp (preparing for jihad) on Mount Igman in Bosnia.

2) During another Islamic-Christian meeting, always organized by Christians, a Christian participant publicly asked the Muslims present why they did not organize at least one meeting of this kind. The Muslim authority present answered in the following words: "Why should we? You have nothing to teach us and we have nothing to learn."
A dialogue between deaf persons? It is a fact that terms such as "dialogue," "justice," "reciprocity," or concepts such as "rights of man" and "democracy" have a completely different meaning for Muslims than for us.
But I believe that by now this is recognized and admitted by all.
3) In a Catholic monastery in Jerusalem there was-and perhaps still is-a Muslim Arab servant. A kind and honest person, he was respected greatly by the religious, who in turn were respected by him. One day, he sadly told them: "Our leaders have met and have decided that all the 'infidels' must be killed, but do not be afraid because I will kill you without making you suffer."
We are all aware that we must distinguish between the fanatic and violent minority from the tranquil and honest majority, but the latter, at an order given in the name of Allah or the Koran, will always march in unity and without hesitation. Anyway, history teaches us that determined minorities always manage to impose themselves on reluctant and silent majorities.
It would be naive to underestimate or, worse yet, smile at the three cases I have mentioned; I feel that their dramatic teaching must be considered seriously.


This is not pessimism on my part, despite the appearance. The Christian cannot be pessimistic because Christ is risen and alive; He is God, unlike any other prophet or one claiming to be such. The final victory will be Christ's, but God's times can be long, and often are. He is patient and waits for the conversion of sinners: in the meantime He invites the Church to organize herself and to work to hasten the coming of His kingdom. And now I would like to make a serious proposal to the Holy Father: to organize as soon as possible, if not a Synod, at least a symposium of Bishops and those engaged in the pastoral care of immigrants, particularly Islamic immigrants, and open to the Reformed and Orthodox Churches. Its organization could be entrusted to the CCEE [Consilium Conferentiarum Episcoporum Europae-Council Conference of European Bishops], which has had a great deal of experience in this matter, in collaboration with the KEK [Konferenz Europdischer Kirchen-Conference of European Churches].
The symposium could be useful to study in a collegial way the problem of the Islamic individuals in Christian countries, and thus find a common strategy to face it and resolve it in a Christian and objective way. We must agree on the principles, even if their application will vary depending on the places and the persons. Nothing is worse than disagreement on principles!
I end this exhortation suggested to me by experience: do not allow Muslims ever to use a Catholic church for their worship, because in their eyes this would be the surest proof of our apostasy.


His Excellency Bernardini, Archbishop of Smyrna (Izmir) in Turkey, gave this presentation to the Bishops' Synod held at Rome on October 26, 1999. These remarks appeared in L'Osservatore Romano (Nov. 17, 1999)


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Regards,

Darren



To: John Carragher who wrote (23705)8/21/2003 9:32:43 AM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 27734
 
Iraq's terrorists have friends in high places

Michael Ledeen
The Daily Telegraph

Thursday, August 21, 2003

nationalpost.com

Long before the launch of Operation Iraqi Freedom, I wrote that the coalition had better be ready for a relentless terrorist assault, in both Afghanistan and Iraq, once Saddam had been toppled.

We had waited an unconscionably long time between the liberation of Afghanistan and the move against Saddam, thereby giving the terror masters in Baghdad, Tehran, Damascus and Riyadh abundant opportunity to plan their response. They decided to repeat what they saw as their winning strategy in Lebanon in the 1980s (driving out the United States and France) and 1990s (compelling an Israeli withdrawal from the south).

Iranian and Syrian leaders made no secret of their intent, and Bashar Assad even gave an interview in which he brazenly informed us -- and potential recruits to the jihad -- that the terror masters would use religiously inspired insurrection, assassination and terrorism, first to bloody and then to humiliate the West, and anyone who joined us.

Just a few days ago, Paul Bremer -- the de facto governor of Iraq -- complained at the large number of foreign terrorists flowing into the country, and he specifically labelled Iran as a prime mover. He announced that intelligence officers from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard were actively organizing terrorist operations.

Tuesday's Financial Times carried a front-page story warning that thousands of Saudis were headed to Iraq to attack U.S. and British targets.

Now perhaps more people will understand that the jihad in Iraq and Afghanistan is not limited to the citizens of one or two countries, but is waged against anyone who tries to make Iraq a free and successful country. The terror masters know that they would not survive successful democratic revolution on their doorsteps, because their own people would demand their freedom.

The facts have been available for a long time, and no one should be surprised at the truck bomb attack on the UN's offices in Baghdad on Tuesday, which claimed the life of the UN special representative to Iraq, Sergio Vieira de Mello.

But, as human nature contains an unlimited quantum of hope despite millennia of intensely unpleasant experience, many will resist drawing the obvious conclusions and, even more, be reluctant to take appropriate action.

The jihad in Iraq is simply a continuation of the terror war against the West that saw its most recent apogee on Sept. 11, 2001. That war has been on for more than a quarter-century, and the terror masters will continue to wage it until they have won or lost.

This terror war is currently centred in the Middle East (although battles are also waged in South Asia), where we are engaged in a regional conflict with Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. Until the regimes of those countries surrender or are removed, we will be attacked, both in the Middle East and in our own countries.

And we cannot buy our way out of this war by changing our policies on such questions as Palestine and Israel, or on the presence of armed forces on Saudi soil, or by going easy on the weapons of mass destruction programs of Syria and Iran.

Indeed, those who see peace between Israel and Palestine as the most urgent issue in the region should be the most vigorous in supporting democratic revolution in Syria and Iran, since it is clear that a good deal of Palestinian terrorism has been organized by the mullahcracy in Tehran, and the terrorists have trained in Syrian-occupied Lebanon.

Other lingering misconceptions about the nature of the terror network have got in the way of clear understanding and hence of effective policy. The U.S. Secretary of State, Colin Powell, and his British counterpart, Jack Straw, often speak as if they believe we could actually enlist Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iran in the war against terror, which is rather like Roosevelt convincing himself that he could enlist Hitler and Mussolini in a war against Japan following Pearl Harbor.

That such serious and distinguished people have embraced a delusion of such magnitude testifies both to the cunning of the terror masters and the painful obligations that the truth imposes on the free societies of the world.

It would be nice to settle things at the negotiating table, and we are inclined to talk and talk, and walk last mile after last mile, to avoid the unpleasant reality that we are indeed at war.

Perhaps the bombing of the UN offices will clarify things, and spur the feckless critics of the war against terrorism to join us. The terror masters do not think that will happen. They expect that the flow of body bags will stimulate world public opinion to demand an end to the "occupation" of Iraq -- which would transform Iraq and Afghanistan from humiliating defeats for the Islamists into glorious triumphs over the West.

The terror masters would then have demonstrated one of their central theses: that the crusaders and infidels of the West have no stomach for real fighting, and lack the tenacity and determination to prevail in this war.

That would be a catastrophe, especially because our victories against the Taliban and Saddam have threatened the terror regimes as never before. Particularly in Iran -- the most powerful engine of the terror network -- the overwhelming majority of the people desperately wish to be free, and passionately want to join the ranks of civilized countries.

Modest support of the Iranian people would probably bring the downfall of the mullahs, thereby removing the linchpin of the terrorist edifice. Without Iran, the Syrians would be unable to sustain the murderous activities of groups such as Hezbollah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and both the Baathist regime in Damascus and the terrorists it has been supporting would be easy prey for their enemies.

The terror masters are wounded and frightened, but they are still on the battlefield and they are determined to prevail. They understand, correctly in my opinion, that it is all a matter of will. We have more than enough power to prevail, but we have yet to demonstrate the resolve to impose victory on our enemies.

Michael Ledeen is the author of The War Against the Terror Masters (St Martin's Press).

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