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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (112287)	8/22/2003 9:44:04 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "But they didn't, and with demographic trends (something you call a "potential", and I call a "probable", problem) they knew the Palestinians would eventually outnumber them and become unmanageable." All this is true, but so what. If the Palestinians are all gassed by the Israelis it doesn't effect the US much. If the Israelis get driven into the sea it also just ain't our problem. Now on humanitarian concerns, it would be nice if we could prevent a massacre, or even an unfair situation from developing there. But neither Palestine nor Israel are fundamental to the security of the United States any more than Vietnam was. By the way, here's where I got the idea that you talk about the Arab youth as a "potential" problem: Hawkmoon, August 20, 2003 I've also OFTEN pointed out that we have a potential for 4 million Islamic fanatics to take up arms against the west (1% of the 400 million muslims currently under the age of 18) over the coming 5-10 years. #reply-19228472 Re: "And with the relatively non-violent first intifada, they recognized they could no longer govern the occupied territories, or take advantage of the cheap labor, so they resurrected Arafat as a party they could negotiate with (but hopefully controllable this time) in order to help create a governing power they could actually negotiate with (since King Hussein wisely abdicated his responsibility to the West Bank), not just a group of people." This is a fairly accurate description of the Israeli's problem. What's surprising to me is that after describing the Palestinians as a "source of cheap labor" who the Israelis are attempting to "control", you still think that the Israelis are going to make any progress there. I guess you figure the only solution is genocide, or at least ethnic cleansing. The problem with ethnic cleansing, by the way, is the same one that faced Germany when they tried to ethnic cleanse their eastern border areas. There just aren't enough Israelis to defend the territory. Short of destroying their democracy, the Israelis cannot ethnically cleanse their territory. And destroying their democracy would lose them the last vestiges of international support, the only thing that is keeping them alive. Nadine just posted an article suggesting that this time the Israelis are going to really go after the Palestinians (i.e. at a higher level than during the recent tank occupations). I'm pretty certain that this will not happen, as it has already proved to be a worthless tactic. Re: "And I say let them build it. It will help keep a degree of separation between them." There are too many Arabs on the Israeli side of the fence. Consequently, building the wall won't help Israel. And even if they did ethnically cleanse the insides, the Arabs would just throw stuff over the border. Israel doesn't have enough territory to put up a real buffer zone. -- Carl